[lukan]

"IMHO organic labels optimize for the wrong things."

What do you mean?

I only know of "Demeter", that also has some very esoteric requirements (homeopathy, cosmic energy flow rituals) - but otherwise organic label optimize for:

- no or little pesticides and herbicides

- more space and better condition for the animals

My only other grievance is that they also all ban GMO

[culi]

Biodynamic at least requires farms to produce their own fertilizers. For that reason alone I try to buy it. Fertilizer dependency will be the end of us

I ignore all the magic stuff (in fact, if you have some spiritual devotion to the food you're growing I think that's just fine)

[jenadine]

They optimise for natural. So you can still have pesticides and herbicides. If you find your poison in some plant, it is fine. If you synthetize the same molecule in a factory, then it's not allowed.

As for the animal welfare, true, but there are also labels specifically for that that.

[fsflover]

> no or little pesticides and herbicides

From Wikipedia:

> Pesticides are allowed as long as they are not synthetic.[28]

See also:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451194

[lukan]

Am aware of that, bug glyphosat is definitely not allowed and likely a result of neighbors spraying plentiful in bad wind conditions (there are strict regulations in theory, that are usually ignored in reality)