[ttul]

There is actually a sensible way to do recruit foreign workers to fill jobs that locals for some reason can't fill, and it's just a few miles up north...

Canada's Temporary Foreign Worker Program (TFWP) is not limited by annual caps or lotteries. You just apply (as a company) by filling in a few simple forms and posting a job in the "Canada Job Bank" for a period of time to demonstrate that you genuinely searched for locals to fill the role and couldn't find anyone suitable. I've hired many people through this program to fill a variety of roles over the years, and all of them eventually became citizens too. Once you're on Canadian soil as a TFW, moving toward permanent residency is not very difficult if you're a skilled worker with enough "points" (based on education, etc.).

Some argue (perhaps correctly) that the TFWP suppresses Canadian wages and productivity growth by flooding the labour market with cheap staff from poor countries. And there is likely some truth to that. But when I hear how many hoops my US colleagues have to jump through with lawyers and such to bring skilled employees in, it boggles my mind. If the Americans were to implement a more modern temporary foreign worker program similar to what Canada has, you'd have to imagine the US economy would boom like it never has.

[WorkerBee28474]

Canada's Temporary Foreign Worker Program is a horrible program that has been flagrantly abused for years to the detriment of Canadians. There's record high youth unemployment yet every Tim Hortons is filled with Indians.

[bendangelo]

Yes, you'll be hard pressed to find any Canadians at any fast food restaurants now. It's a common scam to pay a Tim Hortons owner 20-30k and he'll make you a manager at the franchise, then he'll give you a shared room where you pay monthly to live there. Then you work for free. The UN literaly wrote how Canada has created a neo-slavery system.

[ttul]

Is there any evidence that this actually takes place in a consistent, widespread manner?

[QGQBGdeZREunxLe]

No. This is one of many right wing conspiracies floating around in the social media era.

[ttul]

I'm not sure whether you're aware of how racist this comment may sound to many readers here on HN, but you're definitely echoing the sentiment of many Canadians who sense that "foreigners" are taking away their jobs - a concept that has been leveraged by conservative politicians to stoke distaste for the current government. There is indeed a lack of youth employment in Canada, and the TFWP may be somewhat to blame for that. But labelling it as a problem with regard to a single group of immigrants strikes me as unhelpful.

[yen223]

What's wrong with Indians? Why do so many people here want us to hate on Indians?

[ToxicMegacolon]

It has become a norm on the internet. Even calling it out is usually met with downvotes, name-calling, and more hateful replies.

[cdddgdbbd]

There’s nothing wrong with Indians. Indian immigrants I’ve worked with professionally have been great.

There’s something massively wrong with bringing over tons of cheap labour, who are themselves constantly exploited and abused due to their precarious arrangement, creating a situation where they have no reason to care about the society or culture they’re moving into, because it obviously doesn’t care about them.

They are lied to, cheated from, and stolen from, and are the victims of racism. In turn, a disproportionate number of them will lie, cheat, steel, and exercise racism, or casteism. That’s not specific to Indians, that’s just human nature. As a result, the trust level in society is collapsing.

The Indians are not the source of the problem here, the businesses and politicians who created this environment are. The Indians are another group of victims. They are sold false promises and set up for exploitation, and desperate people in an insecure position are not a good foundation for a healthy society.

[yen223]

Indians are victims, and in order to protect them we must deny them the ability to move and work?

[protocolture]

Oh wont somebody please think of the Tim Hortons.

[horns4lyfe]

There’s nothing remotely sensible about what Canada has done to allow Indian ethnic cartels to take over their job market

[naturalmovement]

> by filling in a few simple forms and posting a job in the "Canada Job Bank" for a period of time to demonstrate that you genuinely searched for locals to fill the role and couldn't find anyone suitable

This is anathema to tech H1B abusers, which is why they post these jobs in obscure print publications no one reads, to deliberately conceal their existence, while meeting the legal requirement.

Unfortunately for them, they cannot treat domestic workers as chattel, which is the inconvenient truth in most cases.

[QGQBGdeZREunxLe]

You're confusing H1B with PERM. H1B has no job posting requirements.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/62o-h1b-recruit...