[nijave]

What are the problems you have with tooling? Imo it's no worse than most other languages besides a very small handful of recent ones (rust, go) where everything is included

The easy approach is usually just throw it in an OCI container

There's not much concrete to go on here besides "I don't like the ergonomics"

[bborud]

Throwing it in an OCI container is not the "easy" approach. It is the beginning of opening a can of worms. I know, because I've been developing tooling to do that at scale for the last few months and behind every layer of worms there are uglier and bigger worms that you need to deal with.

And yeah, I have written a lot of code to insulate Python in containers while allowing meaningful access to hardware and services. While at the same time not heaping more complexity and cognitive surface at the developer. Including writing my own container software to actually understand what's involved at a more detailed level so I know what I'm doing when trying to make this work with existing container software. (No, I don't run any of my container managers in production since I don't want to maintain it -- but this also means a bit more complexity in using existing ones)

It may be "easy" in trivial cases, but it is very far from easy if you want to make something that can cater to a wide range of scenarios.

[nijave]

Do you have examples of issues? OCI is tarball of dependencies that doesn't fight with the OS userland.

Why do you need to write code to insulate Python in containers?

At the simplest level, you can add the flags to the container runtime (network host, host ipc, host process namespace) to turn off all the namespacing besides filesystem and the Python container runs just like a non containerized process.

An extreme example

https://github.com/home-assistant/docker-base (Debian, Ubuntu, Alpine base images with Python for arm64 and amd64)

& https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/dev/Dockerfile (Python app built on those with >1000 deps)

And even there most of the custom code is just running a ton of combinations of inputs against docker build. The OCI container gets rid of "wide range of scenarios" for you standardizing the runtime environment