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by stronglikedan 8 days ago
> Surveillance Is Not Safety

Maybe not, but as long as the average person thinks it is, it may as well be.

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Does the average person think this? Perception of what other people think doesn't always line up with what they actually think.
The average person doesn't think that far ahead. They just hear "a cause I like can be furthered by implementing 1984" and so they support it.

Check out any comment section on transportation policy, environmental policy, professional licensing for trades other than software. Look at how HN, people who should know how this sausage is made, schemes about how policy and technology can be used by government to enforce it's will and preferences upon other people in ways they cannot avoid or resist. It's not a case of divide and conquer, it's a case of completely lacking principals. Nobody believes in privacy, civil rights or that the application of government (violence) should be expensive and difficult and politically fraught when it's an application that they like. Nobody is thinking far enough ahead to wonder how those systems will be used when the whims and dispositions of government and society shift.

Just this morning I was reading a comment where some jerk was scheming about how the government should (the implication being that now that AI makes it easy to automate) scrape property listings and fine people for not pulling permits when there's a diff from the prior listings and that the whole thing can be automated and anyone innocent can just have the government tour their home to prove it.

There is something to be said about true believers, who will go out of their way to not 'live and let live'. I remember getting extra antsy when one such individual was flying drones over private properties looking for signs for what they believe is an issue.

Tech.. it truly is a tool and something of a true reveal of character. It immediately shows what you do with power.

I don't respect those people unless they're willing to suffer the same tactics used upon them to enforce other issues.
>Does the average person think this?

The average person hold all kinds of conflicting views.

The average middle class parent will surveil the shit out of their children, for example.

Hence the title of the article is not completely correct. The outcome of surveillance is the intent of the entity surveilling. In the case of the parent, this is likely the safety of their offspring. In the case of a state entity, it's likely the safety of the people in power of the state. This second type of safety is very dangerous and does not include your safety.

I think you are onto something with intent here. By now, we effectively know that various power centers are getting away with things that normal people do not. If true, the concern is not that we are getting away with things, but that we might be thinking that maybe current arrangement is no longer suitable. In other words, they are literally preparing for a worst case scenario. And to me, this seems silly now. As in, I buy the fear of a peasant uprising and being on the wrong side of the scythe, but I sincerely doubt peasants will actually do anything.
> The average middle class parent will surveil the shit out of their children, for example.

Most of those parents will argue that they have the right to do that and are actively recommending other parents to do the same. It happens so much that a local celebrity actually said the following recently (paraphrased)"As long as you live in my house I(the parent) have the right to go through your room, your stuff and your phone whenever I want".

In my country this is actually illegal as kids have a right to privacy just like the parents, though it happens so much since kids don't have the resources to sue their parents therefore people think this is normal (and kids grow up thinking it is normal).

The average person does not think anything much. They receive the meme, they transmit the meme. No processing occurs.
I doubt the average person gives it much thought at all.

This certainly isn't a result of democratic overreach by a concerned group of citizens. No demographic is demanding this.

It's one of those "create the infrastructure for stasi 2.0" the epstein elite tries to periodically ram down our throats ironically using "think of the children" to manufacture consent.

The last time they did this they contracted saatchi and saatchi to run an a disturbing campaign: https://londondaily.com/revealed-uk-gov-t-plans-publicity-bl...

It's a great meme, though. Use it more.
isn't more as long as the average billionair thinks it is.

It's not like it's the average person pushing it.

If only the average person had tools and access to all such information.
The average person doesn't have any knowledge on this system.