[t0mas88]

And at the same time they claim it can't be rolled out in Europe because the DMA would force them to allow selection of other AI providers? Which would not even be true if this was an Apple product built on the models of Google, just like the DMA does not force them to pick a different datacenter of office cleaning provider.

[matthewfcarlson]

There's a post here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

Take it with a grain of salt but I don't think it's other AI providers that Apple is upset about. The DMA would require users to be able install any openclaw like thing onto their device with access to everything that Siri can access today. There are all sorts of arguments to be made here but I can understand why Apple feels this way and wants to offer a good experience here.

[Gigachad]

Undoubtedly Meta would install themselves as an "AI agent" and then just scrape your whole device for data they can use.

[troupo]

What good experience? Siri has sucked for over 10 years, completely degrading in the last few, with no way to change it to a more capable assistant.

Apple doesn't care about "offering a good experience". Apple cares about vendor lock in. It pisses off even me, a long-time (18 years and counting) Apple user.

[rTX5CMRXIfFG]

You’re hurling a separate set of UX issues onto the subject of the EU’s deferred inclusion

Also is Siri the only thing you’re using in your Apple products that you’re so clueless as to ask “what good experience”? I mean, what kept you in the ecosystem for 18 years and counting?

[troupo]

> You’re hurling a separate set of UX issues onto the subject of the EU’s deferred inclusion

It wasn't me who said "I can understand why Apple feels this way and wants to offer a good experience here."

> Also is Siri the only thing you’re using in your Apple products that you’re so clueless as to ask “what good experience”? I mean, what kept you in the ecosystem for 18 years and counting?

"How dare you criticize the company whose products you're using"

[Gareth321]

People can already install applications and give those applications access to their files, photos, camera, microphone, etc. I don't see the fundamental difference, provided the user chooses to provide access to this data.

[tansanrao]

Looks like the problem with DMA has more to do with giving full access to other providers outside of the on-device + private cloud compute architecture. The way I interpret the newsroom post [1], Apple doesn't want to give third-party providers full access to user data when the third-party providers cannot run on private cloud compute for privacy reasons, but the EU wants them to offer the choice anyway.

[1]: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

[troupo]

> they claim it can't be rolled out in Europe because the DMA would force them to allow selection of other AI providers

They don't claim that. All they said is "later in the EU as we look into privacy and security" after spending two hours saying how private and secure everything is.

DMA would force them to allow usage from other apps than their own and other assitants than Siri, especially for on-device models.

Edit I stand somewhat corrected but it's regular Apple bullshit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451012