[johnsmith1840]

Why do you think Chinese companies can do that? It's government subsidising price they do it with literally every ibdustry.

Home grow a bunch discount them federally, let them wipe the foreign markets.

If AI is threatened by china why would US NOT do the same? If they did they're in a much stronger position to do so than china. Cheaper energy, more cash, stronger industries.

Infrastrucure is thr kind of thing that only a foolish US admin would let fall apart to their advesary.

[watwut]

> Home grow a bunch discount them federally, let them wipe the foreign markets.

US is doing the same and was doing that for decades now. American companies operate on loss for astonishing amounts of money and consider it completely normal. One gotta love complains about Chinese companies selling under price coming from American tech industry.

[treis]

It's not all Chinese companies. It's some western companies running Chinese models.

[podocarp]

This is just silly. Deepseek has published so much regarding speeding up and making cheaper inference and people are still harping on the government subsidies thing.

So what's all the project Stargate stuff? Subsidies only work when China is doing it?

Deepseek is actively sacrificing performance for cost, which is very clear in their latest model releases. They are not attempting to get to number 1 in benchmarks, and they say it clearly in their own publications.

Furthermore, being open weight, anyone can sell qwen and deepseek compute, not just Ali and deepseek themselves.

[johnsmith1840]

Us gov isn't funding ai in any meaningful way?

Not sure what else you're arguing here. Deepseek like all major chinese companies are 1:1 ccp so not sure you're points are.