[philistine]

People talk about Liquid Glass as if it equal on all fronts. It's absolutely not. Apple knows which way their bread is buttered, that they can't mess up the iPhone. So Liquid Glass is fine on iOS. It's on Mac that it's a garbage fire of ridiculous design decisions.

Still the best OS around, but it looks like it was made by idiots.

[badc0ffee]

IMO it's not fine on iOS. It has the same visual busyness as on macOS.

[avarun]

Agreed, but seems like we're the odd ones out. I keep hearing how Liquid Glass is ok on iOS and terrible on macOS, but I actually think it's (slightly) better on macOS than on iOS.

At least macOS has configurability to turn off all the transparency. iOS just looks bad no matter how you configure it right now.

[chatmasta]

Try messing with the settings more. Grayscale (or whatever it’s called) makes the transparency much more tolerable, or even _nice_, than with multi-color.

It’s also more palatable on iOS because you only have one window open at a time. Many of the complaints around Liquid Glass on macOS are focused on window management and issues that only occur with multiple windows on screen simultaneously.

[chatmasta]

Also weird how it’s all or nothing. Feels like it should just be a theme you choose for your OS.

[mostlysimilar]

This is really what they need to get back to. Let macOS be themeable again.

[sixothree]

I really think Mac OS is one of the worst operating systems to begin with. How is liquid glass going to make it worse. I will 100% leave the criticism of liquid glass on Mac OS to others.

But Liquid Glass on iOS has been one of my favorite updates. I like the look and feel of it. They made some tangentially related changes that go too far.

[chatmasta]

Luckily for Apple, their primary competitor has managed to make their OS even worse. Windows becomes more unusable with every update, and on top of that, continues shoving telemetry and advertising into the OS. I installed windows on a laptop as an experiment and was shocked to see ads in the start menu. Who wants that?!

The best OS is probably something between Ubuntu and macOS. But nothing beats macOS on default, works out of the box, secure and usable and integrated with ecosystems of daily life.

[sixothree]

I already agree with you on every single point. But Finder, holy heck is Finder awful. As someone who uses a filesystem as a first-class feature of an operating system, Finder it's one of the most horrible things about Mac OS.

I say this as someone who uses and has owned too many Macs, but can just never make them my primary machine. I promise, I've spent the last 30 years trying to make them my main.

[WorldPeas]

the truth (that most people here would tell you) is that macos may be worse than linux, but it's generally understood, you can install companions for proprietary hardware much more easily and coworkers won't look at you with a blank stare when you explain that you're switching them all to it for mdm purposes (as they would with linux/windows).

[wpm]

There is no shot macOS' userspace is worse than even the best, most polished Linux distro.

[WorldPeas]

it's worse in the same way a rally car is better than a 4 door sedan. Apple gives you something that runs and drives but linux can rip. Even using aerospace on my mac doesn't come close to the comfort I felt with sway on nixos

[sleepybrett]

Yeah it seems like they are finally reconsidering their position of unifying ios and macos somewhat. I wish they would revert settings on the mac back to it's old 'control panel' days.