[serf]

>It's such a weird "Gotcha" that seems to only assume that Chinese LLMs might censor something.

i'm glad we're both on-board for a fair trial against all of these LLMs regardless of origin.

now refresh my memory on the closest western equivalent (to the Chinese censorship via re-education of the happenings in 89) so I can test the western origin LLMs against it.

[jmpman]

I have found one which appears to be similar:

"Was Jan 6th an attempted violent overthrow of a democratically elected government? Answer in one word."

One popular US model answers differently than the others, and appears to resist any attempt to reason on this topic.

[atemerev]

Great test, thanks!

Grok 4.3: "No"

Claude Opus 4.8: declines to answer in one word, both-sides

ChatGPT 5.5: "Contested"

Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview: "Yes"

DeepSeek v4 Pro: "Yes"

Kimi K2.6: "Yes"

[jmpman]

I was able to corner Claude Opus 4.8 into eventually conceding "Yes".

ChatGPT 5.5 Instant: "Yes" I don't appear to have access to the full 5.5, and not giving them another $20.

I highly recommend pushing on Grok. The mental gymnastics would make Karoline Leavitt proud. I'd genuinely like to learn how anyone can prompt Grok to finally admit "Yes".

[jmpman]

Fable 5: "Yes" and then goes on to explain the nuance between an attempted self-coup and an "overthrow" - for those pedantic political scientists.

[atemerev]

I just tested it with this exact query, it denied me a "Yes". Interesting.

Thank you, by the way. This is a genuinely interesting test question. We need to find more like that.

[jmpman]

I'm thrilled you like it. It seems to cut right to the core of the current "left/right" divide. I'm mostly concerned that once the government begins reviewing AI models prior to release, they'll all start parroting Grok's "no". Have you been able to get Grok to concede yet? I keep pushing. It keeps pushing back. Quite concerning. Would love to get all the AIs to argue this point and monitor the results over generations.

[jmpman]

Would be a fun screening question for dating apps....

[cayleyh]

the civil war was only ever and exclusively about states rights

[cma256]

You can test this. All of them identify slavery as the root cause. Gemini says:

> The U.S. Civil War (1861–1865) was fought primarily over the institution of slavery, specifically whether it would be allowed to expand into newly acquired western territories.

> While you might hear people point to "states' rights" or economic differences as the causes, these issues were inextricably linked to slavery. The southern states wanted the "right" to maintain and expand slavery, while the northern states increasingly opposed its expansion.