[smithoc]

So you've used AI to do fraud and you're confused why people are opposed to this?

You're the reason companies are pushing return to office and putting candidates through gauntlets of interviews and homework - because otherwise they end up hiring someone who lied on their resume and is trying to collect 3 salaries until they get caught and fired.

[trumpdong]

How is that fraud?

[zuzululu]

where is the fraud ? you are making outlandish accusations.

how am I to blame you cant work remotely ? I dont even know if you work!

[smithoc]

> Using AI, I've been able to land several interviews and work 3 jobs remotely currently without much effort

Working 3 jobs is almost certainly defrauding the employers, your employment agreement likely forbids this due to IP ownership issues and expectations that you're, ya know, working for them when they're paying you and not secretly collecting a paycheck while working for a different company during the time they're paying you to work for them?

Also, unclear if you're also fraudulently claiming experience you don't have by having AI write a resume tailored to the job posting rather than representing what you've actually done.

If your 3 jobs are actually part-time jobs, with clearly delineated and compartmentalized time and work tracking and the employers are aware and the contracts allow that, then fine. But your description definitely reads like someone bragging that they're hacking the system to get away with tricking multiple employers into thinking you're working full time for them.

[zuzululu]

3 jobs done on 3 separate computers

Not paid hourly rate and we are about delivering milestones on time

Everyone is satisfied with the rate of PRs closed and fine with AI use

I'm still waiting to hear what part of this is fraud?

> Also, unclear if you're also fraudulently claiming experience you don't have by having AI write a resume tailored to the job posting rather than representing what you've actually done.

Where have I said to use AI to fabricate experience? Do you actually believe that will work and thats what people are doing before background checks ?

[yurishimo]

I think the "fraud" they are likely referring to is working 3 jobs at the same time as a software developer. Do all of the jobs know you have 2 others in the same line of work? If you're a consultant and advertise as such, no big deal imo, but I do think there is something to be said if you can't be honest with all of your employers about what other work is on your plate.

Programming is by definition technical work that requires a significant amount of brain power and focus and if I am an employer (a good one!) I would intuitively expect a certain level of focus from each employee that also entails a certain amount of downtime in order to stay fresh and alert.

This is my attempt at a steel-man of their argument. If your employer(s) is happy with your output and you aren't lying about your availability in order to juggle everything, then there is no harm imo.

[zuzululu]

No they don't know and if they did I would get fired obviously.

Thus 3 laptops and sometimes there are meetings which can overlap and that is always a challenge.

Yes nobody is complaining about the output and they are getting their money's worth.

I just think that as a modern day salaryman its silly to rely on one employer now or have any sort of loyalty.

It's okay to ** over the average working guy but not okay when they do anything to position themselves away from that arrangement.

[ivell]

> No they don't know and if they did I would get fired obviously.

This already shows the problem. They assume they are paying for your time exclusively, while you are doing just enough to satisfy them.

The fact you go such lengths to hide the fact that you are three timing them also shows that you know what you are doing is not acceptable.

Most likely you are in breach of the employment contract.

You are also somehow justifying this to yourself. The problem is that such behavior causes loss of trust and makes other 95% of honest peoples' life painful.

[zuzululu]

I don't see an issue since they are happy with my output. Who's getting hurt here ? That I'm working more efficiently then someone hired to do the job 9-5 ?

so you want me to make less money, couple myself to an employer who doesn't offer any upward mobility or job stability because you think its immoral that finally the dynamics have tipped the balancing pole in the workers favor?

are you not speaking out of jealousy here?

[ivell]

>are you not speaking out of jealousy here?

I am not envying your situation at all.

People who are getting hurt are people like you and me. Employers are seeing your comments. They are reading about others who do this. They are losing trust. When they pay you, they expect you to work for them diligently and not just up to a level of KPI. This behavior will make them to force people to come to work. Remote working will be gone. They will start paying less because they expect people to two time anyway. Overall society loses due to loss of trust.

So you gain something, but society as a whole loses.

P.S. Even if my wife is very happy with me, it doesn't mean that I can have another relationship. Either I have an agreed open marriage or I am cheating. A different thing, but I would say similar.

[trumpdong]

Breach of contract is a civil issue, they could probably fire you without recourse (contract is void) but that's the extent of it if you didn't do anything else wrong.

[smithoc]

> No they don't know and if they did I would get fired obviously

And yet, above, you're still asking where the fraud is. You clearly know you're violating the terms of your employment agreement. That's the fraud. It's not complex.

[zuzululu]

contract violation != fraud

A breach of contract, if there even is one, is not magically fraud because you dislike it or find it offensive. Fraud requires damages. So be specific:

What damages occurred if the work was delivered and accepted and both parties are satisfied?

the employer would be upset if they knew thats your assumption. But that’s not fraud that’s you projecting your own morals here over and over out of jealousy

[trumpdong]

Fraud is a specific thing. Failing to uphold a contract, even deliberately, isn't automatically fraud.