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You disagree with me agreeing with what you just wrote about it being more dangerous to go with motorcycles?

The "besides the point" is that the point I was raising was how common motorcycles are, globally. Is that what you're disagreeing with?

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Let me read both these comments some more, because after this one (above): I'm even more confused.

Quickly: we seem to agree that motorcycles are dangerous and worldwide their predominance is mostly correlated with poverty (unlike US outlaw/biker culture). I had associated your beside the point with a biker being more-safe than a pedestrian -- is that what you meant?

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I have done 120mph in both vehicles, car and motorcycle – and won't ever go over 55mph on a dirtbike (only, offroad); never again on-road riding.

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> worldwide their predominance is mostly correlated with poverty (unlike US outlaw/biker culture).

Huh? No, it's mostly correlated with working class and below, hardly "correlated with poverty", at least the places I'm familiar with.

I do agree they're dangerous. I don't agree that everyone should always avoid everything dangerous simply because it's dangerous.