[spacechild1]

> And who said it has?

You've claimed that "right now, people effectively spend ~0% of their time entertaining themselves with their own music, art, writing, film, etc."

So I assumed that you don't spend your time with traditional creative pastimes or don't know any people who do. Otherwise I don't understand how you would come up with the ~0% figure.

> You seem to imply that you can't have created any art ever in your life if you ever did anything with AI.

I did not say that you can't use any AI tools in the creative process, but anyone who has ever tried to create their own art will not confuse the verbatim output of AI models like Suno or Midjourney with actual art.

> The human touch is not automatically genius,

I never claimed that. The nice thing is that there is so much existing art/music out there that you can easily choose the things you like.

I understand that prompting Suno can be a fun pastime for some people, just don't confuse it with actual music or art.

> Sorry, I've seen just as much thoughtless garbage from humans as from AI...

Yes, there is lots of thoughtless garbage music made by humans, but all AI generated music is thoughtless by definition. AI models do not have thoughts or intentions, they are developed to mimick human thought and intent.

> and the AI touch is not automatically derivative trash...

Generating whole songs with Suno very much is. These models are designed to be derivative. AI tools can be used effectively and responsibly in the creative process, but only as a tool among other tools. Prompting Suno is not a replacement for actual music making or production.

[onlyrealcuzzo]

> I did not say that you can't use any AI tools in the creative process, but anyone who has ever tried to create their own art will not confuse the verbatim output of AI models like Suno or Midjourney with actual art.

LOL - so let me guess, 99% of people never create anything resembling art?

AI regularly spits out better derivative crap than 99% of the derivative crap humans spit out...

[spacechild1]

> LOL - so let me guess, 99% of people never create anything resembling art?

I don't see how that follows.

> AI regularly spits out better derivative crap than 99% of the derivative crap humans spit out...

It's not only derivative, it also lacks any thought, intent or communicative effort.

Why should I listen to AI slop when there is lots of great human made music to choose from?

Yes, some AI music might sound better than the worst human made music, but should this really be the baseline?

[onlyrealcuzzo]

> It's not only derivative, it also lacks any thought, intent or communicative effort.

So does most "human" art...

> Why should I listen to AI slop when there is lots of great human made music to choose from?

Hmm, I dunno, maybe because if you play around with it you might generate something that's close enough to what you wanted to listen to. Maybe you won't. Maybe not everyone is you and some people have different tastes...

Almost nobody could generate a good enough song or story or video or graphic or whatever in the fraction of time it takes with Gen AI.

For some people (clearly you are not one of them) - that is good and fun and entertaining in a new way that simply was impossible to get in the same amount of time / effort.

[spacechild1]

> > It's not only derivative, it also lacks any thought, intent or communicative effort.

> So does most "human" art...

That's just not true. Everybody who tries to write their own songs, write their stories or draw their own pictures does it with at least some thought or intent.

> Hmm, I dunno, maybe because if you play around with it you might generate something that's close enough to what you wanted to listen to.

That might work for some music, if you only care about the surface. But even then, why not simply pick some good existing human art? By choose the simulacrum?

The things you generate with Suno are not really your art anyway. That's an illusion that these companies want to sell. It's like you invite your friend who plays the guitar and can sing, ask him/her to play a few songs and then pick the one you like. Would you claim that it's your music?

> Almost nobody could generate a good enough song or story or video or graphic or whatever in the fraction of time it takes with Gen AI.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding about creativity/art. It's just as much about the process as the end result. You shouldn't expect your output to match that of professional studios or masters of the craft without putting in the time, effort (and money). That's just hybris. There's a reason why things like the DIY movement, punk, indie games, B movies, etc. exist. Everybody can already create art within their means and limits. If you write and record your own song, you can be proud of that. You don't have to sound like a professional pop artist. By prompting Suno, on the other hand, you have accomplished nothing.

> that is good and fun and entertaining in a new way that simply was impossible to get in the same amount of time / effort.

As I said, I see how it can be fun and entertaining. I played around with Udio myself and I got some funny results. Just don't confuse it with actual art or music making.