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by mhurron 4 days ago
> I'm not sure who this kind of thing is aimed at

My guess would be it is aimed at those who are falling for the marketing from the AI companies that these LLM's are far more than they are. That they are 'intelligent' that they have 'emerging human like properties because of that intelligence.'
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handoflixue 4 days ago
We're really moving the goal posts on "Intelligence" now that passing the Turing test, writing a poem, writing code, creating a painting, driving a car, and solving multiple Erdos problems all no longer qualify.

I' genuinely wondering if people are even bothering to come up with new goal posts now? Is there any miracle of computing that would possibly satisfy your definition? When we get a fully AI-run company that's turning a profit, or self driving cars that can handle unmapped Alaskan dirt roads, will that cross into "Intelligence"? Proving a Grand Unified Theory? Genuinely curious what it takes to make the cut, now.

Bonus points if blind/disabled 12 year olds are generally considered "Intelligent" by your definition.

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NopIdoN 4 days ago
You can keep adding tools to your penknife but she'll never love you back.
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handoflixue 3 days ago
That's like arguing that cars aren't fast because some people refer to them with feminine pronouns. And I'm not even one of those people
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NopIdoN 3 days ago
No, it's not about pronouns. I'm saying there's no reason to expect that a machine acquiring more skills will "cross into intelligence".

I can train my dog to jump higher but he won't become a kangaroo.

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handoflixue 2 days ago
Okay, so: define Intelligence. What task are LLMs failing at, that a real intelligent being could do? If LLMs do that, would you actually concede they're intelligent?

If your dog grows a tail and a pouch and starts hopping around, it might be time to concede that it is actually a kangaroo.

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NopIdoN 2 days ago
Do you think my dog could grow a pouch because of jump training?

If I train him to spin while jumping will he become a helicopter instead?

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izucken 4 days ago
Damn that goalposting issue is so easy to solve! See:

- make another bullshit benchmark and name it "humanity's last humanlike intelligence benchmark" and overfit to it;

- make rich talkinghead twit about it p r o f o u n d l y, ask for more money and remind people of china;

- remove last remaining percentage of truth from all communication about ai (this is the real bug breaking the system);

Solved this problem for you on under 20W of processing power!

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Personally: not only is "blind/disabled 12 year olds" categorically intelligent compared to llm, perhaps even a Labroides dimidiatus is, check (retain skepticism): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_aNH4hXz8I. Capabilities of these organisms are beyond llm. I don't care that your machine jumps much higher than a person - because it's pointless no matter how marvellous of an engineering it is, ESPECIALLY when you say that it therefore has surpassed people entirely; and then use that to extract the last crumb of resource from everyone... It is a compounding issue. Same way I don't care that it can approximately and unpredictably recall or not recall the web before 2026 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDS-iSueBQ4.

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If ai lovers started telling the truth about capabilities, goalposts of these capabilities would not move - because they would be accurately defined and measured. Instead, they use the fuzziness of language to their advantage - a big part of the betrayal of language that is happening...

And you know I am right, since - your favorite larger than life AI "told" me so ;)))

EDIT: GRAMMER

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handoflixue 3 days ago
Amazing, not once in there did you give a single coherent answer to the question of "where are the goal posts" or "what would convince you"
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