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by andai 9 days ago
> we begin by implementing and training a neural network in Age of Empires II (AoE II) Although it might seem like a fun exercise, wholly unrelated to the topic of anthropomorphism in LLM research, we note that this immediately implies that (1) any sufficiently powerful substrate could implement an entity equivalent to an LLM

Why does it imply that? That doesn't sound right to me. Unless we define "sufficiently powerful" as by definition producing that outcome, which seems unhelpful.

e.g. there have been experiments training transformers on things other than language, and it's not clear that this produces LLM-like qualities (nor does it seem likely to me).

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Edit: I have misunderstood. The point was that LLMs can be run on any hardware (or in this case, emulator) that can do the actual computations. So the author picked AoE because it's an obviously silly example that goes against the tendency to anthropomorphize.

So basically it's the "substance/structure" question. (GPT-5 running on human neurons. Conscious or nah? Human neurons simulated on NVidia. Conscious or nah?)

But by the same argument, if you simulate a human brain in AoE, then what?

( Or for that matter, the universe containing all human brains: https://xkcd.com/505/ )

If we find out the universe is being run on a computer made out of legos, does that suddenly make all of us not sentient for some reason?

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It's sort of like how anything turing-complete can run any code ever.
Doom - anything turing complete can run doom :P
Actually no, because Turing completeness is only for pure computations, and Doom requires realtime I/O in a certain format.
Did you just read my other comment about Doom, or is this a coincidence?
To put it another way: if you replaced your neurons with functionally equivalent ones made of something else (titanium or silicon), one by one, at which point would you stop being conscious? Which neuron is the important one?

(If each artificial neuron ran a copy of Age of Empires, and did its calculations inside of that, for comedic purposes, would this affect the equation?)

See also "The new AI consciousness paper" (7 months ago)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46005928

The paper focused on looking for similar neural structures to those in humans, as signs of "probably conscious". Which sounds great until you remember octopus.