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Try it out, like seriously, learn to use it well. Spent a few weeks with it. You will not say these things if you were an experienced user of these tools. Saying their code is "unacceptable" is a skill issue. Describe what you consider "acceptable code" and watch it produce it in copious amounts. They don't have one mode, one setting, they can generate whatever the F you want in whatever style you deem "acceptable". You're completely in control.

That said, I watched many of my - generally pretty clever - colleagues struggle mightily with this. I can't put my finger on it yet. Regular "programming" - typing BS syntax one character at a time - always felt astronomically boring to me so I'm one of the guys happy with these tools. Not happy with how it will fuck up society though, but that's uh.. yeah.

[Anamon]

As always in these discussions, I think people compare apples and oranges. LLMs are great with in-distribution solutions for solved problems with a lot of relevant prior material and in established technologies. Frontend stuff works great, for instance.

But for novel solutions, complex business logic, things deeply integrated with external systems... the code generation quickly turns terrible and useless. Especially if it's in anything but Python, Java, or JS.

Most of these differences in results end up being about differences in application. LLMs suck at out-of-distribution material, inherently.