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by hammock 5 days ago
Since the 1951 Angleton-Harel Secret Pact, there has been an unwritten agreement that CIA and Mossad will not spy on each others countries. Kiriakou (who is a wonk) confirmed as much in recent remarks.

But no one without at least a TS really knows
5 comments
ma2kx 5 days ago
Kiriakou also stated several times that the Mossad was known to casually try to recruit CIA agents:

https://youtu.be/R7OWqAgGzwA?t=163

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hammock 5 days ago
That speaks to my comment (which was not sufficiently specified I guess) but it does not speak to “the USA spies on Israel” which is what I was replying to
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ma2kx 5 days ago
Okay, but I don't think Kiriakou would explicitly admit if the US spied specifically on Israel.

I think at most we get a indirect "confession" like Andrew Bustamante gave in some podcasts like here, where he answers to the question if the US spies on the Mossad that everybody spies on everybody and than distract to the case were the US was caught spying on (it's ally) Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZklvHVsaT4

PS: I guess at the end you didn't spy until you were caught spying.

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hammock 5 days ago
By all reports, the USA only has agreements not to spy on Five Eyes (plus secretly, Israel). Germany is not in that group. Ally has nothing to do with it.

And it sounds like you are setting up an untestable claim. Can’t help you there. Believe what you want.

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ceejayoz 5 days ago
There's written legislation saying the CIA/NSA/etc. can't spy on Americans.

Guess what happens anyways?

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throwaway902984 5 days ago
He has CIA experience but his word shouldn't just be taken at face value. The man has unsettling views on buying pardons and excuses some other things away as well. Kiriakou shouldn't be trusted, IMO.

That said, he probably isn't wrong at all about this particular thing.

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petcat 5 days ago
> unwritten agreement
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hammock 5 days ago
Ah I forgot writing has magic powers. Especially between nation states. /s

In this case the writing part is not important.

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opsnooperfax 5 days ago
I think he said in that interview that the CIA does not spy on Israel. It does not apply the other way around. Based on policy decisions, this seems very believable to me.
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