[mannanj]

Another straw man.

"real" property or not. You agree that we have some right to our own outputs, right? Is that not dignity, to say "I want my outputs protected".

Seems like you think that your ideas should be free, as you called it information. How about you back that up with action... please send me all your most intimate, valuable ideas. Oh no, you don't feel comfortable? Then why are you sharing it with companies?

[satvikpendem]

Sure, it's not like ideas are protected anyway even in the current copyright regime. And anyway I share it with companies because they perform some useful service for me, such as chatting with LLMs about said ideas.

[mannanj]

ok got it. I think just because law doesn't recognize something as valuable or worthy of protection, doesn't mean it isn't valuable or worthy of protection. I prefer to aim for the reality and conditions I desire, than accept verbatim what the current reality is even if it's hostile to me and my value.

For example, I think ideas are incredibly valuable as we've discussed. I think theft of them is a norm and then disempowered opinions are conditioned upon the people to make stealing their output easier.

I also share my ideas with companies such as chatting with LLMs but I talk about it because I'm unhappy with it and think I should not forget (and neither should you) that ultimately a valuable asset is being handed to them free. No, actually, I'm paying them for that. And I think that shouldn't be forgotten. When a better alternative is available, or I'm ready, I'm out.

[satvikpendem]

I desire lack of copyright and IP protections for anyone and everyone including corporations, therefore we fundamentally didagree; as the old saying goes, ideas are worthless, execution is everything.