I find it interesting how the techies are suddenly losing their minds over technology. We have killed a ton of other people’s jobs over the last few decades and made excellent money doing so. Now it seems it’s our turn
Good. I wish we would kill 100% of the "jobs" out there and we could all start working on the things that we want instead of spending the best years of our lives doing stupid bullshit.
We should work to eliminate all work. That should be something we strive towards. The end of work you don't want to do.
You're trying to argue semantics here, and I am saying, "none of that matters, people shouldn't have to do things that they don't want to do in order to justify their right to survive."
There, is that better? You shouldn't have to do a job you hate (or indeed a job you love) to have the right to continue to exist in our society, and that's the current state of affairs more or less. You work, or society is happy to let you die. I want to end that.
I'm not arguing semantics. I'm doing all the heavy lifting unpacking what you're trying to actually say.
Work is intrinsic to life because it's how you contribute back to the society that enables your continuation of life.
If I assume good faith then your disagreement simply doesn't make sense, but I'm starting to think you're arguing in bad faith. I'm tempted to call you entitled and antisocial, but that would surely end this discussion if I'm incorrect.
It isn't though. Work isn't intrinsic to life. It is currently a requirement in our system because we made it one, but that doesn't mean that there's some law of the universe that says we must work (especially for others' benefit at significantly discounted rates) like dogs from the day we're capable of doing it to the day we die. There's plenty.
When I was flying for a living, I would have gladly continued to do it gratis if all my needs were met, but you can bet your ass I wouldn't be doing it on nights and weekends (except for when I was doing medevac work). Now as an entrepreneur and software person, I work for myself - this is optimal. But I certainly don't think I should have to to justify my right to continue sucking oxygen.
You shouldn't owe society something for simply existing. Full stop. Neither you nor I chose to instantiate into this environment, so us having some sort of moral duty to feed our heart and soul into the economic system is nonsense and we should eliminate that requirement for everyone.
If Bob Smith wants to spend all of his time wanking off, so be it, it's his life to spend. He shouldn't be compelled to work so he can have the continued right to exist. We can do better. We have the ability to.
> Work isn't intrinsic to life. It is currently a requirement in our system because we made it one, but that doesn't mean that there's some law of the universe that says we must work
So I guess I'm correct.
You can go live in the woods and find out how much work it is.
They'll do this no matter how bad you try to make them feel. In fact, belittling them tends to have the opposite effect.