[wnmurphy]

Which means more Grok degradation, more severe throttling, etc.

I can't understand why xAI charges 50% more per month for Grok over competitors when it doesn't even gracefully downgrade to a cheaper model when paid subscribers hit the limit.

[root-parent]

Who uses Grok? Not even SpaceX engineers that is known...

[glimshe]

Grok is pretty good. It really excels when the results can be improved by deep online search. It tends to be more aggressive in looking things up than competitors. I use it in certain situations.

[sheepscreek]

It’s exceptionally fast at it too. I love using it for looking up things where recency matters.

[guywithahat]

I've used/use it. For a while it had one of the best lightweight coding LLM's, which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage ranking although they've fallen off the top 10 used now. It's also provided some good reasoning models, which perform better when dealing with non-PC topics.

Also, although I've never used it for this, I believe some of the paid models produce some of the best "adult" content, and I know there are even subreddits which do nothing but praise Grok and "content" produces who use it.

[nikcub]

> which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage

that was only because it was free

[infecto]

+1. The coding model was fine and it was fast but the fact that it was free was a massive boost.

[rootusrootus]

Tesla drivers, at least for a few minutes each day before hitting the limit.

[brianwawok]

I am a Tesla driver and I never knew it had a limit, which tells you how much I use it.

[rootusrootus]

A surprising number of people have conversations with Grok every day and hit the limit in a hurry. Not my thing, either.

[tristanj]

Grok is the best for researching recent events and real-time information. All the other AIs have a learning date cut-off too far in the past.

Claude accuses me of hallucinating events that happened the day before, and it's quite annoying.

[no-name-here]

Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT all offer web search integrations in order to get recent data.

Grok 3 and Grok 4 have a 2024 knowledge cutoff. https://docs.x.ai/developers/models

[tristanj]

Grok has access to the X firehouse, and gives context on realtime events much better than the models you listed.

I wish Meta made their own AI/search model because they probably have the best data source.

[JumpCrisscross]

> can't understand why xAI charges 50% more per month for Grok over competitors

One potential read is xAI knows Grok isn't going to be a Tier 1 model. So while SpaceX focusses on infrastructure, Grok bets its users like its model enough that they'll pay a premium for it, even if this curtails growth prospects.

[paulpauper]

They already make it required to have a premium X account

Claude has tons of throttling already. Chat GPT is not as accurate at computational problems despite less throttling. Gemini has fewest restrictions but worse quality. Always a tradeoff.

[9dev]

Why would you even want to use that dumpster fire of a model in the first place..?

[mschuster91]

Probably because it has all but zero filters on the input and output. It took widespread media outrage about "grok show me her in a bikini" to at least create a filter that bans such things.

[1] https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz...

[Analemma_]

Does the thing where it wanted to move every conversation onto the topic of "white genocide in South Africa" not count as a filter on the output?