[CamperBob2]

Again, if you disagree with Penrose’s idea, just explain your disagreement.

We can now simulate every aspect of consciousness except for long-term memory consolidation, to the extent that you can't tell if you're talking to a conscious person or a computer. The existence of LLMs means that no quantum woo is necessary to explain consciousness. Our brains just do the same thing by different means.

In short, Penrose's argument is a religious one, not a scientific one.

[an0malous]

You’re conflating consciousness with intelligence. Consciousness is subjective experience, there’s no way to know if any other people, much less machines, are conscious.

[moosedev]

> You’re conflating consciousness with intelligence. Consciousness is subjective experience

Indeed. Thinking is not the same as experiencing thinking.

> there’s no way to know if any other people, much less machines, are conscious.

Or even ourselves :D

"Consciousness is just an illusion" "If so, who's experiencing the illusion?" "Yes"

[markhahn]

consciousness is a behavior. experience is remembering that you had a behavior.

[CamperBob2]

That doesn't mean we can't simulate it, though. Name an attribute of consciousness, and we can (or will soon be able to) simulate it.