[TalkingCodeMonk]

So the solution is for FOSS developers to pay large sums of money to AI companies, to solve the problem that the AI companies created, for profit? ... and you typed this out as though extorting charities were a solution, instead of a grotesquely immoral and unethical systemic failure?

[elestor]

I'm on your side, but don't you think 'grotesquely immoral and unethical' is a bit of an exhaggeration? It's just software.

[eschaton]

No, these things don’t exist in a vacuum. Most LLMs were trained on huge amounts of copyrighted works that they then regurgitate portions of without regard to license or copyright holder, and without attribution.

[TalkingCodeMonk]

Why do you believe morals and ethics do not apply to software? Would you say nuclear weapons are "just physics"? What about the software involved? In that context, software is a tool that can make or break civilizations.

Honestly, this kind of disregard and reductive reasoning comes across as corrupt and sociopathic. The sentiment is a recurring theme I see on HN more than any other forum, and representative of the moral and ethical systemic failure permeating modern business and governance; how most politicians, investors, and leaders treat their users/customers/employees/constituents adversarially, as though they are marks to be fooled, manipulated, and exploited without conscience.

We should always hold each other accountable and ensure our beliefs and actions are conducive to improving everyones quality of life and standard of living. Software is no exception. These should not just be virtues to be signaled through marketing, or while standing on a pulpit, or being recorded. They are how we should strive to live our lives in private, even when nobody is watching.

[Planktonne]

Software has an ethical dimension, and it's ignorant or disingenuous to dismiss that.

[gregoriol]

So 50 years ago people who created calculators were at fault for people not calculating from memory? or 100 years ago people who created engines were at fault for people not doing manual labor anymore?

[TalkingCodeMonk]

Interesting. I don't remember calculators or engines being required to solve the problems they created... nor monthly subscription fees to maintain protection from those problems... nor the companies responsible profiting off the amplification of labor, cost, time, and effort inflicted on non-profits; nothing remotely similar to the problems AI companies have forced on FOSS.

Perhaps you could provide some examples?