[bluGill]

Are we talking about games or medical devices here? I expect different things from them. If a medical device needs to turn off bounds checking to get results I'm concerned enough to not want to let anyone use it. If a game can get a slight performance improvement I'm all for it, who cares if it crashes, it is just a game.

[jason_oster]

Screw this game! I lost all of my progress because it crashed and the last auto-save is 10 minutes old. Uninstalled. 0 stars. Getting a refund.

[tarnith]

Who cares if it crashes? The users.

We can all agree it's not medical systems, but audio DSP and game dev both end up rewriting a lot of STL stuff to suit their needs, and often using a restricted subset of modern C++ features for similar reasons.

That isn't some arbitrary choice, but pretty much where everyone continually ends up when solving real-time problems using C++. Whether those be games or not.

[bluGill]

You can prevent more than enough crashes with enough testing to make gamers happy. Even if you prove there is not out of bounds error I still want a medical device to check

[flohofwoe]

Even with an extreme high level of inhouse testing (which is needed anyway) you'll never find the bugs that are discovered when a hundred-thousand gamers try to exploit every little feature of your game.

The reason to keep asserts in release mode is so that when one of those asserts is triggered "out in the wild" the bug investigation is dramatically simplified. The assert message and callstack is usually enough to figure out what went wrong. With a regular crash that happens without asserts the actual reason of the crash may already be obfuscated enough that a useful bug diagnosis is no longer possible. E.g. an assert is usually triggered very close to the bug, while crashes are usually only the end result of a whole cascade of events triggered by an initial bug.

[bluGill]

Fair, but the counter is eventually you have enough real world testing to have confidence and so you no longer need the assert. If 1 in 10 user's have a crash that is unacceptable. However, what if it's only one in a million, or one in ten billion? At what point can you say, 'it's no longer worth worrying about that rare case.'

And this is why games are different from medical devices. In medical devices, I would worry anyway. In games, especially in a tight loop, it may be that extra CPU instruction is an important difference in performance.