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by nostrebored 9 days ago
Do you not think that the allocation of human time is one of the world’s biggest problems?
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Honestly, not really.

We can have a philosophical debate about work, the history of work and its relationship to human psychology in the 21st century but the bottom line is that there are 8+ billion people on the planet and, of those who are "working age", the vast majority of people, lacking meaningful capital, can only secure income by selling their time and labor.

There's absolutely no evidence that if we come up with a way to "reallocate human time" and change the structure of our civilization (using AI of course) tomorrow, the masses would benefit. There's plenty of evidence that the people who control AI or have the capital to employ it will use it to accumulate as much power and wealth for themselves as they can.

theres also no evidence that any of the manual labor will benefit. we are nowhere near the type of scifi utopia that gives us replicator food.

aside from capitalism moving money up and living condotions down, AI is going to accelerate the gap between rich and everyone else.

Starvation is already not a thing anymore.
Then why are people starving?
Israel is starving 2 million plus people by collective punishment area access denial and the blackmarket for food trades USD$250 for a dozen eggs.
This is not true. As of Jan 2026 the price of eggs in Gaza is 25 Shekels for 30 eggs:

https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/WFP-Pa...

You’re just repeating old outdated bits of propaganda.

Also, nice that you’re estimating that there’s been no decline in population size over the past 3 years. At least you slipped a bit of truth out in an attempt to demonize them.

The generous interpretation of the OPs comment it was gentle hyperbole but directionally correct relative to the not so distant past.
Really?

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...

And this is in the wealthiest country in the world.

> the vast majority of people, lacking meaningful capital, can only secure income by selling their time and labor

It's just time and it's the only things humans value. The only way to provide value for another person is to use your time to do something faster than they could do it with their time. That's it. There is no other way to secure income outside of inheritance or charity which is just receiving something of value without giving something of value. There's a reason why most of the income goes to older people, because the younger people haven't accumulated that much time to exchange for money. The nice thing about time is that everyone earns it at the same rate, 1 second per second.

Capital can be a lot of things, not just machines and property. Any experience you have is capital, any training is capital, any education is capital. Capital is anything makes accomplishing things take less time.

The difference between socialism and capitalism is the idea that one person's time can have different value. That's really it.

Return on capital generates income at a much greater rate than return on labor.

Time is a factor, but it doesn't seem like that's what you're talking about.

Capital is just a thing that makes your time more valuable. It's the entire reason capital is valuable.
Reallocating human time is also going to cause problems.

But it’s a great short term business opportunity for AI vendors and it was Anthropic who went all in on being knowledge worker outsourcing in a big way first whilst OpenAI thought they’d replace Google in search.

I think Anthropic had the better business strategy.

We can’t reallocate time unless there is an alternative source of income. But all these companies just want to extract wealth, not distribute it.
For the Capitalist crowd, YES it is the biggest cost. The next is energy. Imagine a world where your research and development is all AI and the production is all automated by robots. Instant product to sell to the masses who has no money because no one is working.
In the future a few thousand billionaire geniuses will own a world of unimaginable luxury and near-infinite longevity. They will make the decisions, AI will execute them, and robots will do the physical work.

Everyone else will be reduced to compost.

It's the perfect plan. The final definitive justification for capitalism.

The masses are unnecessary. The masses will be optimised.

What could possibly go wrong?

Reminds me of Altered Carbon by Richard Morgan, there is also a cancelled series on Netflix that had an awesome first season.
Why do billionaires keep working, keep amassing more money, donate to politicians, buy media companies?

They want influence and power. Being at the top of a hierarchy of millions, billions of people.

If there are no massess the 1000th billionaire will be a the bottom of the hierarchy instead of near the top. They don't want that. The masses are needed to give them the sense of power.

What these people want is power and control. Eliminating the masses goes against that.

They now have the AI that gives them the praise they want. We have been made redundant.
I don’t think that’s it. I think the only thing that motivates billionaire is just to have more than the next guy.

The only thing that motivates Bezos is that Elon Musk’s has more and conversely Elon Musk would have a existential crisis if he was no longer number one

why only a few thousand? serious question.
It’s a problem for capitalists, not the people themselves

The people want cheaper prices, affordable housing, affordable healthcare

Capitalism has decided that these problems aren’t worth solving. Instead, we must optimize for spam and slop (and call it “distribution”)

I feel like one mental model here is that the attention is limited and under capitalism capital aggregates in the hands of few. Their attention is limited to things that immediately better their position, the most capital-efficient thing to do is to gather more capital.

Cheaper prices, affordable housing, affordable healthcare are less capital-efficient. If you're Walmart, sure, you would like to lower prices as much as possible. But your leverage really isn't as big as finance or tech. If you're a politician, you might also pursue those goals, but your attention and leverage really isn't as focused as that of the money machine.