[jenniferhooley]

"I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company."

"Please AI lets burn down knowledge work and labor work"

"Let people do old handcraft jobs."

So many presuppositions about what people want to do.

As a child I spent a lot of time programming and doing "knowledge work" because it's fun - I don't enjoy "old hand-crafted jobs". Sure, let's definitely destroy capitalism in it's current state I suppose. But I find people like you who hate knowledge-work/coding and think everyone else must feel the same and only do it for the money a bit out-of-touch.

[monknomo]

right, these knowledge work and coding jobs are, by my lights, about the best possible job. From my perspective we've invented a machine that does the fun parts while leaving me the less fun parts (review, various hard-to-claude janitorial tasks, etc).

I might like woodworking as a hobby (for example), but I sure as heck don't want to be a carpenter or to depend on my ability to hand craft enough widgets people like to survive

[Lplololopo]

Be more critical, we do our jobs because of capitalism, not because every single company needs an hr department or the next crud application or the 1000th webshop.

No one of us is working on the field to get food.

[reverius42]

You have in several places repeated that "no one is working on the field to get food", but that's not actually true. While most people in modern society don't work on fields to feed themselves (and others), a small fraction actually do! They feed not only themselves, but all of us.

In this future utopia where everyone gets to be a mediocre handmade-furniture maker, who exactly will be the 1-2% needed to work the fields to feed us all?

[Lplololopo]

Machines.

Or the 1% of people will be allowed to live in the city centers or on the beach or we share the load across peple. Everyone has to work hard and good for 5 years.

[monknomo]

who's choosing this lucky 1%? Who's choosing what this 5 years of "hard and good" work looks like? Is 5 years of work a person really enough? Are you aware that farming is predominantly done by machine, and that's why we're down to so few people working in it?

Sure, the idea of a life of leisure and choice sounds great, sign me up. But I think resources are not distributed evenly, the folks with the most power distribute resources have little inclination to distribute them evenly, and even if we did distribute resources as evenly as possible we would still have scarcity, as with your city and beach examples. We will still need people to deal with toilets, to deal with food and so on.

If we've invented the magical cybersyn dream, and we can have central planning done for us, so everything is efficiently allocated and automated, how can you be so sure your personal allocation will be leisure and not ditch digging or bum wiping? I will bet a jelly donut that what you have described will not come to pass in my (or your) lifetime.

[Lplololopo]

I differenciate between things you have to do (work) and things you want to do. Work means someone else is telling you your priorities.

If you want to write code and think, you would be welcome in my utopian vision.

But when i write code, its business shit. And its business shit someoneelse already solved a few times.