[adithyassekhar]

This is a spicy take, unless the business is willing to face some down time, and I am hired to do exactly what you said, I’d never touch any line of code unless I absolutely have to. Different environments don’t help as much.

We tend to obsess over software quality when it’s the least important thing for a business. It’s just a means to an end.

[sevenzero]

This is what its about, we have multiple ecom shops running 24/7 and cant simply afford downtime or a change of business flow that maybe doesnt affect shop A and B but definitely affects shop C and D...

[sfn42]

> Least important thing for a business

- Takes weeks or months to get simple features out the door, and when they're out they're buggy as hell and the bugs never get fixed. Sound familiar?

> I’d never touch any line of code unless I absolutely have to

And this is how legacy code is made. Years of everyone "never touching anything they don't have to" leads to a giant steaming pile of shit.

> unless the business is willing to face some down time

How does a simple refactor cause downtime? I do this kind of stuff all the time and pretty much never cause any downtime. In the very rare cases that prod downtime does occur it's generally not because of some simple code refactor, and we have it back up in no time by just rolling it back. Unless it's not related to the code at all, in which case it also wasn't a refactor that caused it.