[zem]

it's worth noting that the zones of thought universe literally had different physics; things like superintelligence and ftl travel were physically impossible closer to the galactic centre but commonplace further out. so the notion of "not physically practical" doesn't apply here.

[tialaramex]

The "Zones of Thought" is a fun premise for a story but I'm not sure it actually holds up. It is at least an excuse (unlike in say Iain M Banks which just has Star-Trek style "la la la I can't hear you" FTL travel that's basically magic) but I think the abandoned Eschaton series by Stross had a better excuse and even then Stross accidentally blew it up.

Maybe since our universe doesn't have FTL any author trying to make this work will almost inevitably screw it up? Like how the only novel I've read with the "Protagonist is much, much smarter than everybody else" that works does it by cheating - it's "Tatja Grimm's World" and [spoiler] Tatja isn't actually smarter than us everybody else on her world is stupid by our standards for reasons the plot justifies eventually.

Greg Egan, like some of the newer Stross novels, mostly says no FTL, you can go a long way but it takes a long time, for everybody else if not for you - suck it up. Which isn't a bad excuse, but also isn't FTL at all.

[zem]

sure, the premise doesn't hold up as rigorous "hard" sf, like anything else involving ftl (though I do like the idea in the eschaton series that fine, you have ftl, but that doesn't make spacetime magically non-einsteinean). what I was getting at was that within that setting you cannot apply laws from our universe as to what forms of cryptography are physically infeasible to crack.

btw one of my favourite "the protagonist is much smarter than everyone else" novels is kress's badly underrated "an alien light", where sort of like tatja grimm she's a genius in a primitive society, but that comes to light when aliens try to teach the natives some basic science and she figures out a lot more than they bargained for.

[bawolff]

Meh. Not everything is hard scifi. Just because the author posits a universe different than our own does not mean they screwed up. Its holds up the same way all fiction holds up. Its no different than how lord of the rings has elves and stuff despite elves not being real.

[GoblinSlayer]

Do you assume Lorentz relativity is necessary? In Newtonian world there should be no problem with FTL.

[tialaramex]

I am confident that I do not live in a Newtonian world. Not as confident as the characters in Egan's "Incandescence" who live somewhere that those primary school spring balance experiments prove Einstein's physics not Newton's - but very sure considering.