[tw1984]

the key component of ASML is invented and manufactured by the US, that is how the US can force ASML not to export its EUV machine to China. it is an American tech.

Airbus is not the result of high tech manufacturing, it is the result of setting up regulations to stop others to join the competition. The entire EU is not capable of building any 5th gen fighter jet on its own, that is the best proof that its aerospace industry is about 20 years behind China's, same as the space industry.

[rbanffy]

> Airbus is not the result of high tech manufacturing

I LOL'ed.

> The entire EU is not capable of building any 5th gen fighter jet on its own

Saab is, but there has been no need to develop 5th gen fighters if there are reliable international partners that can provide them. Recent development made it clear the US is no longer a reliable partner and the European aerospace industry is working on reducing the dependence on US equipment.

[slaw]

I LOL'ed. Saab doesn't have any expertise to build modern aircraft.

[rbanffy]

An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down.

And, as we have seen with cheap drones, all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude.

So, how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again?

[tw1984]

> An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down.

not on its own, but by having a combined AEW&C and high performance ultra long range air to air missiles.

Europoor just doesn't have any of these.

> all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude.

that doesn't change the fact that Europoor doesn't have anything. Does Europoor has such drones? or the ability to knock them out of the sky at costs lower than drone production?

to get your some further idea on the gap - Shahed 136 is estimated to cost Iran $20-50k USD each, Chinese manufacturers are quoting less than $1k USD each including fuel.

> how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again?

you don't have to pick which one is more effective when you can build and operate both at large scale. a few carrier strike groups fitted with fifth gen fighters and drone carrier-amphibious assault ships are a pretty good combination.

feel free to google Type-076 drone carrier-amphibious assault ships.

again - Europoor doesn't have any of these, so please stop pretending to be "advanced economy", you are no longer one.

[rbanffy]

> you don't have to pick which one is more effective when you can build and operate both at large scale. a few carrier strike groups fitted with fifth gen fighters and drone carrier-amphibious assault ships are a pretty good combination

Have you invaded Iran already? What’s stopping you? Didn’t Trump mention something like annihilating the current regime? Is it working?

[tw1984]

> Have you invaded Iran already? What’s stopping you? Didn’t Trump mention something like annihilating the current regime? Is it working?

I am Chinese, why should Chinese be invading Iran?

Please just stop pretending to be an "advanced economy", scientifically, economically and militarily, Europoor is the modern textbook definition of failed states.

[slaw]

> An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down.

Frontal RCS of the Gripen C/D between 0.1 m2 and 1.5 m2

Frontal Radar Cross-Section (RCS) of the F-35 roughly between 0.001 m2 and 0.005 m2

Gripen is an old airframe useless in modern combat. It will be shot down from far away.

[rbanffy]

> It will be shot down from far away.

By what exactly?

The military don’t exist in a vacuum - and the equipment they need varies with mission requirements. That’s why the A-10s had its life extended: because it is a better fit than the F-35 for ground support missions. Same applies to the B-52 and the B-2.

The operational cost of the F-22 and F-35 alone make them a poor fit unless you are engaging highly sophisticated air defenses, something the US haven’t done since WWII.

The requirement to be able to neutralise American aircraft is a new one for European (and Canadian) air forces, but one that’ll be tackled.

[UltraSane]

By what exactly?

By F35s and F22s and F47s

[speleding]

The US-made Ultra UV light source is important, but there is quite a bit more than that to a $380 million lithography machine. (Otherwise someone would have created a competitor by now.)

[Peanuts99]

Considering decent portions of the F35 are built by BAE, Leonardo, Rolls-Royce and Martin-Baker - all of which are working on a 6th generation fighter which is due to be flight tested next year - this doesn't really ring true.