[komali2]

Therapy keeps people alive that wouldn't otherwise be, and people coping that wouldn't otherwise be able to.

I've noticed that the human tolerance for extreme suffering leads sometimes to binary thinking. "Well they're still going to work even though they're made to piss in bottles, they must be fine with it!" Human experience is a wide array of emotions and states, I don't think we should try to separate into "cured/healthy" and "unhealthy/requiring adjustment by a mental health professional." Improving quality of life is also good.

[tonymet]

The suicidality blackmail

[komali2]

Pretty gross comment. Just say you're cool and awesome cause you don't care about people. Virtue signal and move on, why make try to make a fake discussion?

[tonymet]

I’m sincere . And blackmailing people this way is the gross part , not pointing it out

[komali2]

Oh, well, since you're sincere, the answer to your original question, "Does therapy actually work," is, yes: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5509639/

You aren't sincere, though, since you followed it up with a clearly uninformed assumption: "Not by the numbers. tons enrolled, none cured." That you're uninformed is obvious: there's myriad papers demonstrating the efficacy of psychotherapy in treating all manner of diseases, furthermore, to say "cured" means you have a fundamentally uninformed understanding of medicine. Nobody that's spent any reasonable amount of time learning about medicine would so flippantly say something vague like "cured." How do you "cure" a limb with peripheral arterial disease? Well, you treat the patient by amputating the limb. Boom, they've been "cured" of PAD! You see, it's absurd.

Based on your site, you seem like a pretty smart guy, in engineering. Maybe when it comes to confidently dismissing entire swaths of knowledge, you should stick to your own field, rather than "sincerely" doubting an entire branch of medicine without even a single paper linked to support your position.

[tonymet]

many disorders have cures. “Therapy” is unique in that the cure is more therapy and drugs. Therapy isn’t medicine. It isn’t an empirical practice. A board makes up subjective disorders, practitioners subjectively qualify patients and ply them with drugs. No relation to medicine.

[komali2]

Ah! Then it should be trivially easy for you to write up a paper disproving the various supportive studies for therapeutic treatments and their efficacy.

We all get you have this strongman opinion about mental health, what I'm telling you is that your objection is roughly as convincing as a flat earther pointing at great circle lines and saying "see, makes no sense!"

You're also simply wrong about psychotherapy being unique in that it's the only ongoing treatment. Not only does it for many people reduce to yearly check-ins or less once they have the tools to manage whatever they're managing, there's other diseases that are treated with various therapies (physical, for example) until death: ALS, for example.

They very word, "therapy," just means "treatment."

[HDThoreaun]

Not a single person who read this thread (including you) honestly believes you are trying to have a sincere discussion

[tonymet]

Certainly I do. The subject is if AI can be better than therapy. My position is : yes, because therapy (as commonly practiced) is terrible, so the bar is low. Also , AI can be a great therapy (in the real sense)