[liquidise]

> Buettner himself says he oversaw the blue zones frozen meal initiative

This really captures the reality of longevity, at least in US culture. Whether or not blue zones are verifiable or real, the ingredients to statistical longevity are well understood to minimally include: eat better and maintain a level of fitness.

Those are not easy to do when laziness, sedentary device time and fast food options are just so easily available. So instead, we end up with frozen meals that almost certainly don't contain the same nutrients and definitely don't include the same effort as having to prepare a meal by hand while walking about the kitchen.

Medicine has extended longevity, but the relative ease of our senior years is perhaps robbing us of the quality of that bonus time.

[socalgal2]

> the ingredients to statistical longevity are well understood to minimally include: eat better and maintain a level of fitness.

I went to a talk recently where someone who did longevity research listed high-impact things vs low-impact things for a long life. They claimed things like (numbers are from memory)

* eating legumes - live 2 extra years

* eating vegatables - live 3-6 extra month.

* walk 5-6km a day - live 2 extra years

* run several km several times a week - live extra 3 months

I'm not going stop eating veggies and I'm not going to stop exercising but it did make me wonder if their research was true.

[Daishiman]

Those findings are pretty robust as there are hundreds of experiments with an aggregate of tens to hundreds of thousands of subjects on the effects of moderate exercise and eating fiber. Fiber has pretty much linear benefits in all-cause mortality up until something like 50g per day and this shows up again and again. Likewise with the effects of moderate exercise.

More than the positive effects, the list does not list things that account for negative effects, like obesity (very strongly correlated with bad health outcomes), tobacco, alcohol, high non-HDL cholesterol thorough whatever eating habits enable it, etc.

The thing about the negatives is that they depend on dose across your lifetime, so being obese for several years, or having high levels of cholesterol has long-term impact even if you reverse the trend.

If you look at all that in the aggregate I think those factors can explain differences in life span quite well. Then again you still need to look at an individual's genetics and the randomness of cancer and various diseases that, while still affected by the previous factors, have enormous variance.