[chadash]

Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI.

As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

[yalok]

I heard they do CS exams on air-gapped machines at UC Berkley. Use of AI to do CS homework is strongly discouraged, and if someone cheated, it shows up at the exam...

[hn_go_brrrrr]

I guess if I were in school today, I would be accused of using AI on my homework, as I did very well on all of my projects and bombed my tests. My professors all recognized my hard work and gave me good grades, but I feel like that wouldn't go the same way today.

[yalok]

just saw a relevant HN post about this very matter in Berkley - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48392004

[HDBaseT]

You could hire people who graduated prior to 2023~.

(not suggesting this is an effective or smart move).

[jimbokun]

Well seems like this is de facto the way companies are hiring right now. Unemployment for new grads is much higher than for people who have been in the industry for a while.

[justinator]

What is your confidence level that potential base level candidates can write a bubble sort function? (and is that at all important to you?)

[chadash]

I don't care if they can write bubble sort off the top of their head. I do care that when they were in class, they had to go through the exercise of implementing bubble sort in their algorithm, realizing that they had an off-by-one error, identifying the problem, and fixing it. School is like working out at the gym, and AI is like bringing a forklift to the squat rack.

[justinator]

Great metaphor.

[dyauspitr]

Completely unenforceable. How is this not immediately apparent?

[greyface-]

If all assessment is proctored in-person, it's easily enforceable.

[nradov]

Do scores on proctored exams have any correlation with job performance? Employers mostly care about ability to complete projects on time and get along with colleagues. How do you put that on an exam?

[dyauspitr]

For basic courses yes. Anything graduate level usually involves papers that take weeks or months of work.

[tonymet]

It’s not like we were building great quality products beforehand. Can we stop with the anti-AI sanctimony ? Some build great stuff, and some terrible, and software has predominantly been garbage for 15 years or more.