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by macintux 9 days ago
I really hope Apple watches what Google and Microsoft are doing with AI, specifically shoving it into their customers' workflow without invitation, and steers far away from that path.
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Apple? The company that has built its entire brand and product lines around "we know what's best for you and if you don't like the way we've done it, you're wrong"?
Yes. We expect the company that prides itself on having taste to avoid doing tasteless things.
Apple hasn't had good taste in probably a decade and a half now. Their recent UI redesign solidifies it.
I recently switched to Apple Music.

Found a U2 album in my library. Familiar anyone?

The tastelessness has been creeping in
Tastes differ.
Bob likes red wine, Alice prefers white wine. Nobody wants to drink piss.
But you just said that Alice does.
It seems a lot of people do though.
And yet Heineken had a €23 billion revenue in 2019.
Touché
You’re not wrong but so far they’re one of the only major companies in their cohort that isn’t shoving AI down our throats/integrating it into literally everything and begging us to use it with some embarrassing corporate plea.

Opting out of Siri is incredibly easy and there are no major features i care about that decision locks me out of. I think it has some impacts on CarPlay but it’s never stopped me from being able to put on music for my kids or whatever.

Frankly I forget I’ve opted out all the time because they never bug me to start using it.

I hear you on this. All I hear is how behind Apple is with AI. More and more I'm feeling like thats a feature not a bug.
Let's not pretend that fact is anything but a happy accident, though. The only reason AI has been practically scrubbed from their website is to try to make us forget the time they preannounced fantastically brilliant AI capabilities and then delivered less than nothing -- not even fixing Siri, which is the obvious #1 product in the world that needs to be rebuilt on LLMs.
Apple, maybe because of ego, is often not the major mover on anything they didn’t come up with first. They tend to take a wait and see approach with a lot of ideas. Hell look at VR (which I’m surprised they even did but clearly they see longterm value)
The Newton failing wasn't a happy accident either. They waited until the right opportunity to try again after the dust settled in the industry.
OK, but it's easy to retroactively declare the "late entry" into smartphones as a galaxy-brain move, to let all those suckers at BlackBerry, Microsoft, Handspring, Nokia, etc. beta-test all the ideas and formfactors, then swoop in as soon as they knew what they had developed would torch the whole market - we know the outcome, and that's frankly quite accurate.

But the difference here is, this iPhone was obviously already far along in development in 2005, when the BlackBerry 8700 was shipping.

In this case, due to their own announcement, we all know that Apple had intended to have LLM technology ready to ship in late 2024. We also know from the copious leaks that they eventually made massive, flailing pivots, and did major reactive internal reorgs to try to get back on track. They've had a lot of setbacks which push them later and later, and unlike in 2005 there is a great likelihood that their competitors can use the delay to significant advantage. (A chance. Of course, Google is the only other player in mobile and they seem sure to do mostly boneheaded things, like the subject of this article!)

But anyway, pretend we don't know any of that, pretend WWDC24 never even happened either. If the assertion is "Apple being at least 3 years late to the market for a major tech industry trend is in this case a sign that they are wisely taking notes from the sidelines, and will eventually pounce with a product that blows us all away, iPhone style" -- my reply is, from the outside and from this moment in time, isn't this also how it would look if they were repeatedly fumbling hard on the execution of this idea, with no clear path to shipping and no clear path to having a superior product to show for it?

We’ve all grown out of that cliche. Literally every OS is opinionated.
Every OS is opinionated, that doesn’t mean they all automatically equally good or bad. Individual implementation choices matter.
Some show you ads in the start menu, others don't.
Apple is not the answer. If you want to escape AI, you need a modular Linux distro like Arch or Debian on your computer, and GrapheneOS on your phone.
It's not a question of escaping AI. It's a question of whether it's integrated in such a way that it works for you, or against you.

The blog post sounds like Google is actively making AI work against their users.

> It's a question of whether it's integrated in such a way that it works for you, or against you.

Google, Apple, and Microsoft won't give you such control. It's going to be AI on terms terms and for their own benefit.

They'll not only do it, but they'll also wrap it in a huge fat rounded border
Given that Apple recently started putting ads in Maps, I have no faith in them anymore.
I was a littLe annoyed by that, too, but mostly because there isn't an option to pay for an ad-free experience.
You already overpay the iphones, what more you want to pay ?
I don't want to pay more, but if compared to having results tainted by ads, I'd rather pay.
I don't believe I overpay. I use my phone for hours a day. It is a marvel. I find it far superior to Android, which I used for years.

Yet I didn't buy the phone for the maps app. I have other choices for maps providers. It is perfectly acceptable to me that Apple charge me for additional services like maps.

We have different point of view then. I like iphones too, but I also admit that they are much more expensive than Android. You can get 140hz AMOLED with good processor on Android for 300€, s26 (comparable to iphone) is available at 600€. You don't get these discounts for iphone, it always stay near it's original price.

What makes it superior in my eyes is the quality of the default app, the note app for instance of the reminder, both extremely powerful and 'free'.

Now if they are going to downgrade their app quality by putting ads in them, it loose it's edge over cheaper Android phone.

Don't worry, Apple has been watching for a decade plus. And it seems they will continue just watching
Looking at the next iOS rumors, I think it's inevitable.
Looking at the way the stock market rewards companies that brainlessly shove AI into everything under the sun, I know it's inevitable.
Let’s wait and see how those three big IPOs go first…
That will presumably be a temporary phenomenon.