[nwah1]

yea, but those users can still upgrade to 6.7 which isn't even out yet, and then also remain on that as a supported release for a significant amount of time.

And you'd have to balance all this against the wealth of severe X security bugs that have been coming out even just this week, and the maintenance burden of supporting it in a volunteer project with limited backing.

There's an argument that they are being too conservative. Other DEs like GNOME have already dropped X.

[eqvinox]

That really only matters if the number goes down; I don't think it will. It might be more useful to figure out why people are still on X11.

Then again, it's FOSS, so expectations need to match that.

[brudgers]

Then again, it's FOSS, so expectations need to match that.

Yep. I just spent a couple of hours trying to get image thumbnails back in Ubuntu. Because you know, I use that Ubuntu machine for ordinary desktop tasks that involve images.

The solution: disabling some unknown slice of security via Apparmor to get ordinary functionality. The same reason I use X11...because security experts break things that they don't have to fix.

Is Wayland more secure? I suspect so. But I want to get shit done without trying to read Arch Wiki.

[eqvinox]

Personally speaking, my problem with Wayland is much more mundane: the mouse pointer lags ever so slightly (compared with X11), and it turns out that's a psychosomatic trigger for me. It causes actual tightness in the chest (that one could just be frustration) but also a weird stinging-ish pain in the upper arms and neck (real wtf, very hard to describe, and probably some neurospicy thing).

I'm not sure if I misconfigured something 10 years ago and it's stuck somewhere in my home directory, or what... I can't believe nobody else is bothered by this, even if maybe not as much as I.

(ed.: I should blind test myself, but unfortunately the sessions do differ slightly, i.e. I can recognise when I'm on Wayland :/ )

(ed.2: just got new external displays, they support 120Hz, maybe that helps...)

[brudgers]

That’s what I am getting at.

Wayland’s “betterness” all requires technical arguments and none of Wayland’s “betterness” is apparent on the screen. Even worse Wayland’s “betterness” is only better if breaking user systems is ok.

It’s developer’s are assholes for creating all the problems you have.

[eqvinox]

I just logged into Wayland to see…

the mouse pointer straight up stutters/stops when the system is under some kind of load… like, say, starting firefox. Not sure if it's CPU load or GPU load but it's a pretty low threshold somewhere. Maybe firefox starting is blocking some screen drawing thing?

Anyway I'm logging out and back into X11 before I punch my screen on impulse.

[KnightHawk3]

HDR and multidisplay fractional scaling are two things that look better with your eyes that work best on Wayland.

I personally find colour management to work better than x11 lately, but that might not be for everyone.

[brudgers]

Bulldozing a building is a sure way to prevent breaking and entering, but it doesn't do much for the residents.