[wolvoleo]

Their approach is not decent. There should be some kind of master key to get full admin access. Leaving al the keys in the hand of a mega corporation is asking for trouble.

It's gone so far that even tech people now think that having root access to a mobile device is somehow scary. Well guess what that root access is still there for the manufacturer. It needs it for stuff like updates. It just shields you from having any kind of input or visibility on what is going on.

And once you've given up your admin control to the mega corporation, your government is going to be next. They'll be demanding backdoors and regulatory bullshit like age verification and snooping backdoors. Even today the EU launched yet another chatcontrol proposal. Eventually they'll manage to get it through when they've paid off enough representatives.

Keeping full control is the only way to prevent this.

[butlike]

Doesn't the government already have root to whatever machine via the NSA? It's the downstream government, the state-level governments that are squeaky wheels with the age verification and other nonsense.

[wolvoleo]

I'm in Europe not the US. But NSA and their likes are a very expensive resource. They're not going to use that for small fry cases. Also, any evidence they obtain is not legal for any purpose so it has limited use.

And even NSA backdoors could be discovered more easily if we had full access to our phones, obviously.

[fsflover]

You can have the full access to your phone. See: Librem 5.

[wolvoleo]

There's nothing you can do with that in daily life if you need apps. Also, purism is American.

And yeah you can root other phones too but then you end up getting blocked in apps, that's the problem. It should be none of their business that my phone is rooted.

Imagine office refusing to work on windows because I logged in with an admin account?

[fsflover]

I do use this phone as a daily driver. I can run Android apps with Waydroid, and I can run any GNU/Linux desktop app.

> Also, purism is American.

So what? The device runs an FSF-endorsed distro, and they even provide its schematics. American is not necessarily the same as evil.

> Imagine office refusing to work on windows because I logged in with an admin account?

This is exactly why I use this phone and support Purism, since they explicitly say they want the users to be in control of their devices: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24463347. And its not just empty words.