[bradley13]

First off, money laundering does not require cash. So the premise is a bit strange.

Second, I submit that money laundering should not be considered a crime at all. Monitoring it (for example, banks required to report large cash transactions to the government) just leads to mass surveillance of innocent people.

Transferring money from A to B - why should that be a crime? The point of anti-money-laundering laws is that the money generated at point A may have been generated illegally. It isn't the money transfer that is the problem, it is the illegal activity. The police need to put in the effort to prosecute that illegal activity.

This is reminiscent of the continual pressure to break end-to-end encryption. The police want an easy way to do their (admittedly difficult) job. But the price is just too high: mass surveillance, and many false positives, affecting the general populace.

[matheusmoreira]

Completely agree with you. AML/KYC laws are just the financial arm of global mass surveillance. They should be opposed and resisted on principle. It doesn't matter if it makes the police's job more difficult.

[drmathias]

AML laws enforce monitoring so that legitimate businesses have to block or report activity, assisting law enforcement in tracing said criminal activity. It's the most effective way. As the famous saying goes: follow the money.

You're correct on the privacy implications. It's shocking how much data AML monitoring companies have collected about you, there's more data points than any single person could think up. These aren't entities owned by the government - they're private companies.

Also yes money laundering does not require cash but I think the author is highlighting the scale of it. Most countries tax consumption a.k.a VAT and 'hidden transactions' such as cash transactions bypass that.

You can be anti-anti-money-laundering but then you also either have to be a complete anarchist or completely anti-taxation and anti-data-collection by corporations and yet still have a reasonable argument for how this will result in the ability for society to have a government.

I'm not saying the system is perfect - far from any means. However the utopia you describe seems infeasible to me.

[AnthonyMouse]

> It's the most effective way.

Its effectiveness is shockingly poor and rounds to zero:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25741292.2020.1...

[chadgpt3]

We can separate the two things - the transaction could be surveilled without being a crime. They'd only have a legitimate use for that surveillance data if it was found to be connected with an actual crime. (Of course, like all surveillance, it would be badly misused)