[platevoltage]

> The problem with voting is that people are simply not engaged in politics anymore. I have never voted and never will.

Seems like you identified the problem. I'm definitely the type that thinks there is nothing salvageable from the current U.S. system that was dreamt up by a bunch of racists who thought owning other human beings was acceptable, but I also believe that voting is a form of harm reduction. The people who want to do harm vote, and they do it reliably.

[ImJamal]

Large chunks of the founders were opposed to slavery. John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Gouverneur Morris, Sam Adams and more.

[mrguyorama]

That's cool that those people who were supposedly opposed to slavery were fine with creating a brand new nation which had, in its constitution, "You can't ban slavery for a few decades" and "Places with more slaves get more power" as primary concerns.

Completely unrelated of course to the growing popularity of abolitionism in Great Britain which banned the atlantic slave trade in 1807 and formally banned slavery in 1833, long before that brand new country which supposedly had so much influence from "anti slavery" folks eventually found cause to ban slavery decades later, and only made black people equal members of the country over a century later.

Good job people opposed to slavery. Great work!

[ImJamal]

It was a compromise... After the war the choices were to unite or be taken back over by Britain. Being taken back over would mean everybody who died and suffered from the war would be in vain and slavery would continue on in the colonies just like before.

People like Morris tried to get rid of the 3/5 compromise and get rid of the protection of slavery. He was one of the most vocal against slavery. He called out the hypocrisy and wanted to slow the import of slaves by taxing the import. He and others like him tried their hardest, but were at least able to set things up to allow the eventual ban.

I don't get people like you who can never see that while things weren't perfect, moving in a better direction is good. You let perfect be the enemy of good.