[artyom]

Once upon a time there were engineers that used software. Just like any other tool, and usually in combination with electronic, electrical and mechanical equipment, all of them being very well aware of the laws governing it all.

But it was so great as a tool that some engineers didn't want to deal with the burdens and limitations of the physical world, and started focusing on software more and more.

Then the software engineers came, for whom the physical and mathematical aspect of the whole thing was just a distant history lesson (and preferably a problem in someone else's computer).

And after software engineers, the only constant in the entire ordeal will remain: engineering, in a shape or form that very likely nobody can predict right now.

[apsurd]

As someone not old but young enough to not have experienced a world before software, Im not sure that engineering rooted in the physical is a necessary prerequisite.

I appreciate your comment but the entire world I happened to experience in my coming of age was at the dawn of the consumer internet. And so “web stuff” was how I cut my teeth. And its my profession. And i never went to school for it, im basically a dumb untrained web dev, borne from the script kiddie days.

There’s a stigma to it sure, but im well past it. All to say I just dont think CS principles down to the physics level is the root and all is an abstraction. Theyre just different things now.

[artyom]

> All to say I just dont think CS principles down to the physics level is the root and all is an abstraction.

Not my point either. I was just referring to the tooling changing over time, with the discipline constantly evolving forward nonetheless.

[calvinmorrison]

That's why I drink Genesee Light, to get drunk not for the flavor. I find the IPA drinkers to be of that same ilk

That is to say, somewhere along the way software got really complex, and really artistic, and really full of hubris.