[gchamonlive]

"by using this lib you agree to give up your firstborn child to adoption". In any jurisdiction do we have to have an explicit law against sending your child to adoption? Because you can't make it illegal for people to put children to adoption, this is regular practice, so a license could enforce this?

[yetihehe]

If someone gives you conditions to which you don't agree, maybe don't use that lib?

Do you think you have some moral right to use the library and violate conditions to which you do not agree? Get another library or write your own.

[gchamonlive]

If the conditions are nefarious you have a moral imperative to disobey. That's called civil disobedience.

[yetihehe]

Yes, if your very living conditions depend on it. Not if you do it just to increase your big payout by a little bit. Using one library over other is not an issue of maintaining your basic living needs.

[gchamonlive]

> if your very living conditions depend on it

This is your interpretation. Civil disobedience is just the non-violently breaking of immoral rules.

> to increase your big payout by a little bit

It's an opensource lib, it's used by corporations and hobbyist alike, so this another assumption you are smuggling in.

[yetihehe]

> This is your interpretation.

No, this is statement of conditions under which I think the rule should apply.

> It's an opensource lib, it's used by corporations and hobbyist alike, so this another assumption you are smuggling in.

Does it mean that you can ignore ALL licenses? Or parts of licenses? I didn't say anything about corporations or hobbyists. Can corporations always ignore terms of licenses? Can hobbyists always ignore terms of licenses?

Is "don't use AI" immmoral according to you?

> It's not the prerogative of the lib provider to dictate which tech I'm going to use

Well, it's not your prerogative to use that library. Creator of something does have prerogative to tell others how to use their stuff. "Instructions on how to use my stuff" is called a license. And society agreed that they should be honored. If you break that agreement, you should have good reasons.

Good reason: I will go hungry for several days.

Bad reason: I will not be able to buy latest iphone.

[gchamonlive]

> No, this is statement of conditions under which I think the rule should apply.

Ok, not your interpretation just your opinion

> Does it mean that you can ignore ALL licenses? Or parts of licenses? I didn't say anything about corporations or hobbyists. Can corporations always ignore terms of licenses? Can hobbyists always ignore terms of licenses?

I'm not making these claims, only that in this instance it's abusive and childish from the lib maintainers to act this way and completely justified to ignore them.

> Is "don't use AI" immmoral according to you?

You are trying to back me into a corner but that's not gonna stick, all I said was "It's not the prerogative of the lib provider to dictate which tech I'm going to use"

> Well, it's not your prerogative to use that library. Creator of something does have prerogative to tell others how to use their stuff. "Instructions on how to use my stuff" is called a license. And society agreed 7that they should be honored. If you break that agreement, you should have good reasons.

It is when it's enforced by the license, which controls distribution and ownership, sure, then you use a BSD license or such, but your line of argument makes emulation, wine translation and maybe even virtualization impossible just because "Creator of something does have prerogative to tell others how to use their stuff" and clearly we have all that and it's very much legal, so a lib maintainer dictating what I use to write code is nothing less than insane.

Sorry but to me understanding of how license and fair use works is just wrong in ways I can't fix for you.

[skeledrew]

It can try, because you agreed by using the software. And if the owner/maintained tries, it'll be up to the lawyers and judge(s) to determine the way forward. Maybe it'll be found to be too onerous a request or something. But don't push the system; it might push back in a way that has repercussions for decades to come.