[constantius]

In a discussion about increasing fish population "after decades of effort", it's surreal to see a suggestion to kill them, or at the very least rip a hole in their mouths.

I'm always surprised at how people can be so unaware, suggesting killing as a meditative and beautiful activity...

[gausswho]

I'll contrast with sibling comments. You're correct to raise caution towards fishing Pacific salmon, even in catch and release. Release mortality from one study I've found is about 25-40% https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016578362... It's worse during high water temperatures. They're likely quite fatigued by the time they arrive.

That said, this caution is not always warranted generally. Location, species, and season significantly matter. In healthy ecosystems, there's no harm to the group even if the individual fish might not agree.

[bluGill]

There are a lot of different fish, and most are not threatened in anyway. Often the larger threat is over population and they need predators - like humans - to prevent that.

[groundzeros2015]

You just aren’t educated about angling or fish.

Also are you aware of the California native tribes who exempt themselves from fishing regulations?

[boston_clone]

Could you educate us as to where the barbed hook goes?

[constantius]

I was surprised by the level of replies here and didn't have the energy to answer: thanks for the support, comforting to see after a long day.

[groundzeros2015]

In the fishes mouth. That’s how you catch them.

Is your claim that anglers decimate fishing population?

[boston_clone]

nope, i don’t think that claim holds water.

my claim would be something like how the recommendation of fishing in response to news of conservation efforts is as absurd as recommending spankings in response to news of more babies being born: stupid, harmful, and self-serving.

[r053bud]

Barbed hooks are not allowed most of the time anymore.

[boston_clone]

And which would you prefer through your lip? Barbed, barbless, or nothing the fuck at all because people let you live your life undisturbed?

[rayiner]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/13jabzl/not...

[boston_clone]

Bears are people when you’re on grindr, but that bear there isn’t a person, friend.

[groundzeros2015]

Fish are not people and you’re projecting on to them. Do we need to start with whether you eat meat or own pets?

[boston_clone]

Animals other than humans feel pain and do tend to avoid it.

And nope, no eating meat for me (and like half a billion other people). It’s both easier and more empowering than one might think!

[anamax]

Fishers will spend a lot more money to keep a fishery alive than non-fishers will.

[kristjansson]

I mean catch and release is better than being dinner, and the prevalence of fly fishing as a hobby goes a long way toward garnering public and financial support for restoration activities.