[ramesh31]

>For many, the appeal of a Mac is that it isn't running Windows

Pretty much. I broke down and finally bought my first Windows machine in over a decade to play Subnautica 2. It was so infuriating to use I returned it a week later. You literally have to hack it with shell commands to bypass Microsoft login now. Never again.

[newtonianrules]

Subnautica 2 runs great on Linux via Steam/Proton. My HTPC/Steam Machine and gaming rig are both running Linux now. ;)

[ramesh31]

Thank you!

[pqtyw]

> You literally have to hack it with shell commands

Well on macOS you need to do the same to install and/or run applications so its not that fat ahead.

[newdee]

This is false in my experience. You can use the cli to clear the quarantine bit, or you can take the (admittedly annoying) trip to system preferences to override. This is rarely something I need to do; most software is already signed and notarised.

Also not at all equivalent to being forced into linking an online account before being allowed to use your computer at all.

[toraway]

You can still bypass the login requirement for Win 11 and that annoyance only happens once during install vs. every time you try to run a non-notarized app.

It’s easily in my top 3 most hated things about my MacBook. Plus, knowing Apple and the history of that “feature”, it will only ratchet towards becoming even more of a pain over time (it was actually tolerable back before they removed the hotkey to bypass).

For me, after running Win11debloat one time Win 11 disappears into the background 95% of the time, like an OS should. Unfortunately I don’t the luxury of doing something equivalent on MacOS without completely disabling SIP.

[qzx_pierri]

Stop giving Microsoft free passes. The fact that you even need a workaround is the issue.

[thewebguyd]

Local account on Win11 isn't a workaround, its a fully supported option but only on Windows 11 Pro. Its a work around on home edition. The UI to get there on Pro isn't intuitive (Other Options->Domain Join Instead->Create local account), but it's there and 100% supported.

Still unacceptable for home edition users, but Microsoft has been segregating its userbase and features into Home/Pro/Enterprise for decades.

[expedition32]

How do you use an Apple device without taking part in their ecosystem?

[zuhsetaqi]

You can use a Mac just fine without using any services from Apple.

[Schiendelman]

Their ecosystem is, frankly, much better. I won't bother with Windows but I certainly don't mind icloud.