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by t0mpr1c3 19 days ago
If you look just at differences in treatment, ignoring preventable deaths, the disparity in mortality between the USA and other rich countries is just as evident.

This is a long-standing fact. It's difficult to interpret without concluding that something is badly wrong with US healthcare provision.

Plenty of people out there trying, though
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tptacek 19 days ago
I don't think this is true. Check out:

Causes of America’s Lagging Life Expectancy: An International Comparative Perspective (Jessica Ho); there's an amazing chart in the middle that breaks causes down between countries.

This squares with a general observation about US healthcare, which is that it is expensive and overprovisioned and generally achieves marginally better outcomes for a variety of common serious conditions, which is also what you'd expect if you've had extended contact with the system.

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t0mpr1c3 19 days ago
That sounds about right, if you ignore disparity of access to treatment, and look narrowly at the quality of the treatment itself. 25 million Americans do not have health insurance.

Looking just at treatable mortality (so not preventable deaths from cars and guns) the international ranking of mortality statistics changes only slightly. USA remains below the OECD average, behind comparably rich nations, down among middle income nations like Peru.

https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/health-at-a-glance-2023...

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tptacek 19 days ago
I don't know what you're showing me here. This is a table ranking all causes of avoidable death, which includes things like gunshot wounds.
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t0mpr1c3 18 days ago
Enough sealioning. There are two charts. One is avoidable deaths. The other is treatable deaths. It doesn't matter which definition you use, USA is near the bottom of the table.
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tptacek 18 days ago
If you'd like to disengage, simply disengage. Incivility hurts your argument. Obviously, the US leads on avoidable deaths! We have huge numbers of car accidents, homicides, and drug overdoses. We also have huge amounts of CVD, but as I explained above, that's a regional phenomenon and the health care systems are the same in both kinds of regions.

You keep coming back with data that begs the question.

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t0mpr1c3 17 days ago
It doesn't. You just don't understand the terminology.
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