[lovich]

What’s the cost of all that though? I don’t doubt that productivity could be gained but when I see articles like the one on the Open Claw guy spending 1.3 million on tokens in a single month I am reminded of drag racing engines that can reach incredible speeds but also need to be completely rebuilt after a single race.

[ip26]

Depends on the quality of your validation loop. Can the agent find the bug in a five second unit test, or does it have to run the full deployment test?

It also presents tradeoffs in compute budget. Cycles spent executing large arrays of tests could mean less tokens spent debugging.

[lovich]

> Depends on the quality of your validation loop. Can the agent find the bug in a five second unit test, or does it have to run the full deployment test?

I am not asking about time or completeness. I am asking if this person is spending 1 dollar to make more than a dollar, or if they are spending 1 dollar to make less than a dollar.

Any other criteria is not necessary to consider, if the activity is not profitable.

[oblio]

Who cares about that?

Vibes, baby, vibes!!!

[lovich]

Based on the person I was talking to’s reply, it does seem that way

[_zoltan_]

I don't know if you guys are trolling or not, honestly. Vibe coding is misrepresented. I'm building extremely complex features that are grounded in our codebase but fundamentally rests on the training data which includes all academic papers on the very subject I am iterating on.

you can't just handwave this all away with "vibe baby, vibe" and then high-fiving each other that oh you're so clever because you manually write code/think the code is too high.

[_zoltan_]

I can't give exact numbers but I find the cost more than OK.