[customguy]

That's rich.

> being dismayed that something that used to be stable no longer is

You just ignore that, repeat your claim as if that helps. "I mean, they are" -- no, I mean, they actually genuinely literally are not.

You us what everyone in that group has as motivation, and that it's to achieve something like sexual satisfaction, is not a description of that thread -- I can read -- so it's coming from you.