[SilverElfin]

What do you mean by investing though? I think these days junior people have to just invest in themselves and learn by working right? It’s also hard for companies or managers to spend more on them when they can leave at any time, which means all that effort training them will just benefit some other employee.

I’ve noticed younger generations are especially a lot less loyal, probably in response to abusive and exploitative employers and horror stories. But the downside is if employees have less loyalty themselves, then even caring companies and managers cannot justify being loyal to them. They end up losing that time invested and learn a hard lesson.

[knollimar]

Why be loyal without pensions, good benefits, and more than CoL raises?

What inspires loyalty about someone paying under market rate because they refuse to see change?

[jvuygbbkuurx]

If they leave they got a better offer. Simply be more competetive.

[matheusmoreira]

> I’ve noticed younger generations are especially a lot less loyal

Smart. Corporations aren't loyal either.

> even caring companies and managers

I'm not convinced there is such a thing.

[SilverElfin]

> I'm not convinced there is such a thing.

They absolutely exist. Companies that train and support junior employees definitely exist even if it’s not because they care but some economic reason. But both types are more and more rare as younger generations become more and more likely to job hop.

You’re saying job hopping is smart - maybe it is. But my point is this causes ALL companies to invest as little as possible and to disregard junior candidates. Even if they wish they could have things be different.

[kxrm]

> a lot less loyal

So have companies.

This goes both ways and labor is just reacting to the "it's just business" excuse companies have been using for over 30 years.