[SilverElfin]

Speed cameras next. They’re just revenue generators and part of a safetyism Trojan horse for surveillance.

[rahimnathwani]

Speed cameras save lives. It's best when they're paired with:

- good publicity (drivers know that speed cameras exist)

- density (high chance of passing a speed camera)

- enforcement of penalties (if fines can be ignored then they lose their deterrent effect)

- portable (so you don't know where they are ahead of time)

[SilverElfin]

They also enable mass surveillance and they also unnecessarily reduce quality of life. No one talks about the time lost to artificially low speed limits. But they do matter.

[rahimnathwani]

Speed cameras enable efficient enforcement of existing speed limits. They don't require 'artificially low speed limits'.

Speed cameras don't have to enable mass surveillance. The oldest ones are detect a speeding object and take two photos at a fixed interval. Cars that aren't speeding aren't recorded.

[ErroneousBosh]

> No one talks about the time lost to artificially low speed limits

Do they talk about the time lost to RTCs?

How much time do you "lose" due to speed limits?

[derwiki]

They definitely slowed drivers down in San Francisco: data was released proving it.

[metasyn]

Source? My understanding is that speeding cameras and flock cameras are different in the SF application at least.

[derwiki]

My response was about speed cameras not flock cameras. They added them on Chavez, Ocean, and a few other places.

[SilverElfin]

Slowing drivers isn’t a good thing. It’s just making lives worse by adding travel time when people could move faster. But my point remains - speed cameras are a backdoor surveillance method. They can be subpoenaed.