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by whimsicalism 11 days ago
> Techies have a weird way of thinking themselves world saviors and having poor binary decision making ability.

rich coming from a belief system that thinks everyone who had the opportunity to go through their water-dunking ritual and culpably didn't is automatically going to be tortured in the underworld for eternity.
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Starman_Jones 11 days ago
As a non-Catholic, this shows such a poor grasp on what makes Catholicism different from Protestantism that it’s comical. Some early Calvinists, for example, said that Catholics were wrong because they DIDN’T believe that. It would have taken you so little effort to uncover your lack of understanding before broadcasting it to the world.
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whimsicalism 11 days ago
What specifically is wrong?
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Starman_Jones 10 days ago
Catholicism introduced the whole concept of purgatory, which specifically avoids the idea of eternal suffering. Water baptism is not a requirement for grace (read: salvation), although it is a requirement to be recognized as belonging to the Church.
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whimsicalism 10 days ago
someone who knowingly/culpably rejects baptism is not going to purgatory. as a non-catholic, i think you are misinterpreting here.

this is verbatim from the Catechism,

> Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament

Sure, there are other routes - but not for someone who has culpably rejected a water baptism. Again, from the Catechism,

> Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven.

> He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

Purgatory is not meant for those who culpably refused to enter, absolutely not.

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Starman_Jones 9 days ago
You’re right, I was mistaken. My bad.
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anon291 11 days ago
That's not what the church believes but okay whatever. At least I don't think a computer magically becomes a person.
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