[orwin]

> Trump attacked Iran because Israel was going to attack Iran

When Israel attacked Iran in 2025, Iran was very, very clear that they did not consider it an attack from the US and did not retaliate against US assets. The US choose to support israel with intel and weapons, and Iran still didn't strike at US interests. Then the US joined forces with israel to push for bigger concessions from Iran just before the ceasefire (that the US broke 8 month later, once again during peace talks).

So do not act as if Israel pushed the US into this war. This was a political and strategical choice the US made, and you should own it. People who were silent on the 2025 bombardment and are now saying "we shouldn't fight Israel war" are to me hypocrites.

[like_any_other]

Oh I'm not saying Israel's decision to attack Iran forced the US to join in on strategic or self-defense grounds. I'm saying it forced them because the US does whatever Israel tells them. That is why both US lead negotiators with Iran are Jewish [1], why US congressmen have Israeli flags outside their offices [2], why Nancy Pelosi said the #1 priority in the Capitol is Israel [3], why Netanyahu gets 3 straight minutes of applause when he starts his speech in Congress (and lots of applause interruptions later) [4].

Because when 50% of donations to the Democratic party, and 25% of donations to the Republican party, are from Jewish sources [5], it can't be any other way.

[1] In practice, critical negotiations, with Iran and elsewhere, have been put in the hands of two people, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, with close personal relationships with the president and obvious economic stakes in the relevant conflicts. - https://snyder.substack.com/p/on-superpower-suicide

[2] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2qjLaSyAWj8

[3] if this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to our aid, I don’t even call it our aid, our cooperation with Israel. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LmnQRnw8I

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6XZKE7a_F4

[5] https://www.jpost.com/us-elections/us-jews-contribute-half-o...

[orwin]

Yes of course, the party in power in the US have to get the evangelicals in their pocket, and the best way to do it is to back up Zionism (as they believe that Jesus will come back once Jews will be in control of Israel). Still, this is entirely self-inflicted.

[jmye]

Conflating “Jewish” with “loves and supports Netanyahu” is a bald-faced antisemitic trope.

Pretending Kushner’s bullshit has anything to do with being a Jew and not being willing to sell anyone or anything for a dollar is just silly.

The pro-Israel group is just as likely, maybe moreso given the current administration and the people like Thiel running it, to be apocalyptic Christians, trying to bring on their own idiotic vision of the end times.

[like_any_other]

> Conflating “Jewish” with “loves and supports Netanyahu” is a bald-faced antisemitic trope.

I guess "Jewish has nothing to do with support for the Jewish state" would have sounded too silly, so you used Netanyahu instead. Luckily we have opinion polls to prove the "trope" true: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/646214/suppo...

The group with the most sympathy for Israel, and least for Palestine, is, unsurprisingly, Jewish.

[kergonath]

> I guess "Jewish has nothing to do with support for the Jewish state" would have sounded too silly

It is not silly and it is true. In the same way as many Muslims don’t want to live in a theocracy and many Christians are not fundamentalists. Being a Jew, a Sionist, supporting the principle of Israel, and supporting its current apartheid iteration are all very different things.