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by xnx 16 days ago
Similar to anti-AI derangement
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It really is an odd feeling to be in between the 2 extremes
The problem is that both camps take their positions as religious righteousness, which lobotomizes their abilities to have productive, pros and cons discussions about matters at hand.

The internet/apps of the last 20 years have not exactly boosted people's ability to think critically and set aside their passions though.

Much easier to keep eyeballs glued and sell them ads if you encourage their baser impulses.

take heart knowing at least I'm there with ya.
No. There is no "anti-AI derangement", the reaction to slop is normal.
Spamming an open source developer with angry comments because they decided to use a new tool for the code they write and publish freely is not normal.
This is rsync we are talking about. A bug in rsync basically means lost data and/or unreliable backups.

I think it's normal to be pissed at lost data. Maybe it's not socially acceptable to spit in the face of a volunteer but it's 100% human to feel annoyed by an obvious drop in code quality.

The thing is, showing the annoyance to the volunteer, who is already doing their best, has two possible outcomes:

1) they stop volunteering

2) they will ignore you

In neither of that is your issue solved. So maybe it's better to deal with the frustration on your own and then file a bug report.

There must be some degree of communication from customers to developers. Even if it is a free volunteer service.

Poor communication results in professionals firing the customer as well. None of this is exclusive to OSS of volunteer effort. But the communication in general is necessary.

This is just product management and communication issues. There is an perceived problem and the problem MUST be communicated.

Problems aren't solved by shutting up and ignoring things. And based on the discussion in this topic, it's clear there's a lot of people who are worried about rsync code quality here.

Look, it's not that long time ago when we had the xz malware. The pattern is always the same. Maintainer of the project is doing X, people start to pressure them to do something else, maintainer gives up and opens the project up to other maintainers, and then many things can happen. If there is any lesson from the incident, open source maintainers should never allow the pressure to happen, ignore it if it's too strong, block people. Rsync has been maintained for a very long time. Bugs happen, even regression bugs happen. People don't get to dictate how should the volunteer do development.
Before you call yourself a customer of an FOSS project, perhaps show us the receipt that a monetary transaction had actually taken place between you and the developer.

Otherwise, you're just a beggar. And beggars don't get to choose.

These are not customers.
No longer volunteering is not an obviously worse outcome than volunteering negative value contributions.
If committing thousands of lines of unreviewed AI generated code is "doing their best", I'd argue that them not contributing anymore would be a net benefit for the project.
That's possible, but who are you to tell a person what they should and shouldn't do in their free time.
> Maybe it's not socially acceptable to spit in the face of a volunteer

Why are you hedging this? Do you think maybe it is socially acceptable?

This isn't a hedge at all. There is likely an English mistake/misinterpretstion being made here. I am a native English speaker btw.
Do you believe the comments in this GitHub issue are acceptable social discourse towards an open source maintainer?
> because they decided to use a new tool for the code they write

That's not why the comments are angry. The anger is directed at the slop approach to code review.

I guarantee you the same anti-AI people wouldn't give a shit if the author used an AI-enabled IDE and personally vetted all commits.

You might want to use different term. After all, Trump derangement syndrome turned out to be "people who actually listen to him and say truth about him".

X-derangement thing is not used in reference to people whobare wrong or lying, but in reference to people who are making correct observations