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by vips7L 19 days ago
Kotlin also has its own features that differ from the way the JVM or Java has decided to develop them. For example: coroutines vs virtual threads or Kotlin “value” classes and Java value classes. The semantics don’t match and Kotlin stops becoming simply a “better Java”.
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pjmlp 19 days ago
That is the curse of guest languages, see C and C++ as well.

That is why I always say keep with the platform, and why despite my endless rants on C, I keep myself up-to-date in regards to it.

Eventually they always diverge.

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vips7L 18 days ago
It'll be interesting long term to see where they go with Kotlin. WRT value classes they'll probably introduce something like @JvmValue like the did with @JvmRecord when data classes diverged from Java records.
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pjmlp 18 days ago
They behave as if JVM was only relevant to bootstrap Kotlin ecosystem, especially since they became Google's darling on Android, and doubled down on Kotlin Multiplatform.

From all guest languages on the JVM, the Kotlin community is the one I rather avoid, as many behave thankless to the platform that actually makes their toy possible in first place.

Clojure, Groovy and even Scala, focus primarily on being nice with Java and having a symbiotic relationship.

Koltin folks are like "we're replacing Java, ahaha stupid language".

Well where is the Kotlin Virtual Machine, other than Android userspace, which nonetheless requires Java support to benefit from Maven Central ecosystem?

Certainly driven by Android folks, I would say.

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