[kristjansson]

Internship etc. proposals miss that status quo job seeking is a parallel process for applicants. An internship model means each candidate can only “consider” one employer at a time. I think this is what Steve’s campfire proposal is trying to counter by making samples/internship outputs public?

I think the real solution is something like the Bar Exam. Apply the hard filter once, publicly, administered by a trusted neutral party. Anyone that gets through is assumed to be good enough, and interviews can assess only firm/team specifics

[alright2565]

This is what Triplebyte tried to do, but unfortunately they failed in the market. Maybe they were ahead of their time and a similar concept would work now.

[kristjansson]

Yeah I wrote “by a third party” then thought of them and revised to “trusted neutral party”. Has to be someone with ~no financial interest in the candidates success

[danieltanfh95]

The real solution is stop proposing solutions like a bar exam. Software engineering evolves too quickly for anything but a work sample to work.

[kristjansson]

The Bar is also a not-great signal of actual ability. It is a great signal for 1) base knowledge and reasoning capacity and 2) sticktoitiveness / willingness to meet ~arbitrary expectations to work in a given industry ... which is all these 'technical' interviews are really measuring. By revealed preferences that's what management wants at those companies, so better to save people time and stress and make it a one time thing?