[canelonesdeverd]

It's telling that the most frequent attempt at a counter-argument is just thinly-veiled misanthropy.

[maxbond]

I read the misanthropy as ironic. They're applying the same reductionist logic to humans, not because they are misanthropic, but to illustrate that it doesn't help us understand the case we can all agree on. "Humans aren't sentient either" is definitely not the takeaway.

[darthoctopus]

What is definitely being argued unironically is "it doesn't matter that humans are sentient", and I would still consider that misanthropy

[CamperBob2]

The point is, we have no idea what "sentient" or "intelligent" even means. If we agreed on the definitions, the debate would have been settled long ago.

[maxbond]

I don't see where they said that; could you give me a quote? It does not seem to me that they are addressing humans at all, except as a foil to LLMs.