[dlubarov]

> They just want to raise families [...]

Most ordinary Iranians, sure; certainly not the Islamic regime. It was their decision to train, fund and supply weapons to terrorist groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, PIJ and the Houthis since the early 80s.

[vkou]

In the past 60 years the Iranian regime has only closed the straight in retaliation to a second massive suckerpunch against it.

I'd say they are acting in a far more restrained and reasonable manner than the belligerents in the 'west'. And most rational people are in agreement with me on this.

Imagine what the US would have done in response to a massive surprise bombing attack that killed the president, most of the senior cabinet and military, struck bases across the country, sunk most of it's navy, and blew out a few elementary schools and apartment blocks and civilian infrastructure targets for good measure.

The last time something that was a tiny fraction of that happened, it started two wars and killed half a million people (most of them from a country that had nothing to do with the attack).

Iran's response was downright restrained.

Here's a radical idea. Don't start wars with countries if you don't like the consequences.

[bawolff]

> In the past 60 years the Iranian regime has only closed the straight in retaliation to a second massive suckerpunch against it.

Well yes, because its a desperation move that hurts them just as much as it hurts everyone else. Its worth it to them as a last resort but at any earlier point it would have been a strategicly stupid thing to do.

> The last time something that was a tiny fraction of that happened, it started two wars and killed half a million people (most of them from a country that had nothing to do with the attack).

Arguably this whole thing happened because Israel thinks Iran is at fault for the oct 7 attacks and now views them as an unacceptable threat (note: even if you dont agree, it really doesn't matter so long as the people who are at war think this). Which was kind of like your hypothetical, so it should resonate with what you are saying.

> Iran's response was downright restrained.

Largely because they lack the ability to do much else that would be a strategic benefit to their situation.

> Here's a radical idea. Don't start wars with countries if you don't like the consequences.

Indeed, but that bites both ways. Violence begets violence and war begets war. The present situation was forged in the decisions of the past including many of Iran's.

[dlubarov]

> Don't start wars

US/Israel may have opened the current front, but the Iranian regime has been waging proxy warfare since the early 80s. They also attempted to assassinate our president. It's misleading to paint US/Israel as the aggressors for occasionally responding to years of indirect or unsuccessful attacks.

To look at it another way: if US/Israel hadn't responded directly, but instead paid Erdogan a large bribe to strike a list of coordinates in Iran, while also supplying the missiles and the training, would that get around your concern? Probably not.

[i_idiot]

Ever thought why? For you they are terrorists, and for them they are resistance groups to prevent what Israel did in the last 2 years..occupy their lands an murder their people.

[throw47884]

Israel has never occupied Yemen. They are like a thousand miles away but the slogan on the Houthi banner contains “death to Israel” and “curse the Jews”.

They’re not even pretending not to be antisemitic.

[bluGill]

What has Israel done to Iran. Israel has done some bad things to neighbors but not Iran is not a neighbor